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[Stargazer]

When I'm in a debate with IDers (or any kind of creationist) they often say they see design everywhere, and that they cannot comprehend how things are the way they are without their favourite god.

As for the design issue, I hope there are some who believe in intelligent design who could show me exactly what gives away design by an intelligent entity. When is an object designed by an intelligent designer? What are the characteristics? Some of them say that the entire universe is designed. Interesting. Add to this that we design things too, and all you have is a universe where everything is designed, and nothing else - ever. So, how is it then possible to see the difference between design and non-design, when the former is the only thing that exists? (Except for the designer/creator itself, of course, since that would cause uncomfortable problems with the whole concept.)

The part where they say they can't comprehend a universe that is so finetuned without being designed is of course not an argument to begin with. I have no problem with a universe that is not proven to be designed by a creator. If that's how it is, then that's how it is regardless of what I can understand.