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Originally Posted by jackson33
no mam, not to us. we and the investors of the world do not agree. the SS and health and welfare systems have already gone to far, but not as far the countries you mentioned. appalling to the dignity of whom. the few that play the system for what they can have no dignity to begin with. the business and companies around the world want to participate, not because its cheap, but profitable. employees will work for wages with out a need for government mandates and have the choice of who or what they work for, even to work for them self.
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This is a very confused post, but let me try to reply to what I think you are saying.
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health and welfare systems have already gone to far,
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How "gone to far"?
Due to your lousy system and levels of lousy health care and homelessness we now have Drug Resistant TB-born in NY. Here alcoholics were put up as guests of the state for 18 months and given the three anti-biotics daily necessary to kill the disease. TB is virtually non-existent here.
I was appaled at the filth I found in the casualty section of a lage Boston Hospital. My wife had to insist that the doctor-who had just been dealing with a homeless person with ahacking cough-to wash her hands before examining her. I know you have some of the best of everything, including health sevices; but you also have some of the worst.
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appalling to the dignity of whom.
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I gather you mean a decent social Security system is an affront to an individuals dignity. I find the appalling levels of poverty in the richest county in the world a far greater insult to human dignity
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the few that play the system
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I gather you mean a welfare system is open to abuse by a few. I agree with you there, but I am prepared to wear this for the good of the majority.
Look to to your tax system. When it was first introduced it was meant to tax very wealthy companies; when they all then went off-shore or hired canny accountants the tax base had to be broadened to include the middle class who object to "socialism" as it may cost them money.
In fact it probably saves money I was in Texas 25 years ago and had never in my life seen so much corporate wealth. I was surprised there was no Unemployment benefit. I asked what happened to the unemployed and was told that they move to NY as they had 6months Unemployment benefit ( later reduced).
"What happens after 6 months?" I asked
"Nothing' -Federal food stamps maybe" i was told
"No wonder you have such a big crime, drug and prostitution problem in NY then " I said
My yank friend didn't see the logical connection at all.
People moved to NY because of the welfare when that ran out. . .
If I and my family are homeless and hungry I am going to get money anyway I can-prostitution , illegal activities etc
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the business and companies around the world want to participate, not because its cheap, but profitable.
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Many Americans (USAans) seem to be under the delusion that everyone wants to live in America (especially your feral, rude customs and border guards). Yes your large market is attractive to many firms and makes things like film-making easier. That's why an Australian took them over (Fox). The Chinese market is now starting to look more attractive to many (watch Fox)
But do not be under the delusion that the USA is the best place to live. Many rich Americans are moving out to places like NZ, Europe and Australia. NZ is especially attractive to those that want a quite life away from a Terrorist Threat and want to live in a real democracy. If you saw
Lord of the Rings you know how beautiful the place is. Ask a Canadian or a non-actor-Australian if he wants to move to the USA.
When I visited the USA many years ago I was amazed at people's parochialism.
"You have to see our public white sand beach" I was told in California. i found it almost impossible to explain that All Australian beaches were "public" and there were countless thousand of miles of white sand beaches.
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employees will work for wages with out a need for government mandates and have the choice of who or what they work for, even to work for them self.
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I think you are confusing socialism with communism
In Oz the minimum hourly wage rate is about $9-10+. Workers are mostly protected with health insurance, free education, supperannuation, subsidised medical and health, workers compensation, a welfare safety-net and strict occupational health and safety laws. They choose to belong, or not, to a Trade Union. (most do)
I note Chevron Mobil has just had its cleaners strike because they are on $5 an hour. This is the one of the richest oil companies in the world (one that our government just gave a gift of 60m to) with profits over 5B.
Corporate greed and amoral behaviour and anti-democratic behaviour is rife in the hierarchical-authoritarian corporate world.
The corporations that run America are not democratic as far as their staff and many of their activities are concerned. How much is Halliburton making from the Iraq war? why have 50,000 Us soldiers died-not for democracy for oil. All the big oil companies will be in for their slice of Iraq. (Rice is an ex-director of Chevron Mobil).
I think we all need to temper the wost abuses of a Free Market System with a sprinkling of socialism. Many people cannot survive in that system. This may be due to disease, diminished capacity, poor education, and many other social and economic factors like looking after kids (sole parents)
Give me liberty! yes, but not death by exposure or TB
