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[Kriminal99]

One answer is other people. If our biases do not affect or harm anyone, and there being wrong does not prevent someone from achieving their goals, then they are irrelevant. If they do cause these things, then there will be someone to complain about it.

The other answer is ourselves. It seems to me the way I attack and refine my own arguments is to pretend I am my own enemy who uses arguments similar to ones I have seen other people make in the past and similar to ones I have made as well. One thing about philosophy and debate is that many arguments have common threads such that you can apply the same kind of reasoning to many different topics. To criticize yourself allows you to better accomplish your own goals, even when noone else is effected directly.

But regarding this whole value science thing... It does not seem to me to be particuarly signifigant. Everything about science is wrong for the purpose of giving the average person information to live his life more efficiently. Of course some of these things are no doubt to be altered in this "value science" you speak of, but I hold that to try and make scientific knoweldge more useful to the general populace is to turn science into philosophy, or to go to such great lengths that you might as well start from scratch.

Everything about science is wrong for this. It focuses on 3rd person observation of events. You saw X Y and Z happen with a certain frequency and documented the results carefully etc. But I did not see it. My taking it on faith from you that those things happened is not science. Science is suited to an organization where it is known that all members have common biases such that there is little or no reason to doubt each others reports.

Science is overspecialized in nature. The average person has no clue what, and probably does not care to know what scientists talk about. Most scientists have a private language and poor communication skills outside of this private language. Forever a system has been built where people outside of their discipline cannot even undeterstand what they are talking about and yet they expect people to value their knowledge when they cannot communicate understanding that they gain.