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Re: The scientific proof of the existence of the soul (and God)

Concsiousness, I know that I am conscious, But how do I know you are?

To me without thinking about it, I could be the only conscious person alive on the planet, I am me 24 hours a day, Im aware of my self and surroundings all day every day. Yet I cannot take a peak into another persons consciousness.

What Im trying to say is, How do you define consciouness first. Is my dog consious? I cannot take a peak into his consciousness anymore than I can take a peak into another persons.

Is consiousness special? Well indeed it is... but can we truely say its unique to humans even tho one cannot go into some other persons other consiousness and see if well. He is conscious.

So we just dont know. But we assume that other peers are consiouss and we clearly are. But I cannot truely 100% experience their state of consciousness.

Im sorry if that was confusing. Anyway he is what I have said about consciousness in another thread. http://www.hypography.com/sciencefor...2&page=1&pp=10

The point of this is, When does consiousness start?

" When you are born, you are born with 5 senses usually. you have Basic instructions from you're Genes. As you experience the world around you, you're brain is rapidly trying to make sense of the world and the surroundings it is in. You're brain is making so many Connections at this time in you're life that. the first few years are when you are not exactly conscious.

So rather the reason you dont remember things is because you havnt yet making sense of you're surroundings that well. Once you're brain has enough understanding and Intelligence you develop a greater consciousness. This continues and progresses to being Fully conscious bein eventually.

You're brain didnt really have any sense of the world for you to record any meaningful memories at the time.

A brain and 5 Senses = input = understanding/intelligence = consciousness "


Consciousness a gift from god? no
Consciousness a proof of the soul? no


We are clearly concsiouss in a bioligcal sense, not spiritual. I mean, where does the soul lie if there were one.

take this for an example:


If I were to cut up a persons body, take off both of his legs. Is he still consciouss?

yes of course !


If I were then to remove both of his arms. Is he still consciouss?

yes of course!, so far we know that consciousness doesnt hang around the the arms of legs.

What If I were to use the most advanced machines and take his body away from him and keep his brain active somehow and he remained alive and talking.

Is he still consciouss? well sure!. hes still the same guy, just without a body or legs and arms!.

So clearly, the SOUL does not hang around in the body!


now lets move to the brain. We know that we can take out parts of the brain, even half of it! Now since we are only left with a brain, isnt it safe to assume that consiousness lies in this thing?

Lets try removing little bits of his brain!!! . Im sure most of you know that it is possible to live with only half of a brain! Now At some point while you chopp off parts of this persons brain, you are going to run into problems and eventually this guy is going to switch off.


there is no spiritual thing about it, the brain is consciouss, not a soul!

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