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Re: All arguments are about definition, not truth

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Originally Posted by paigetheoracle View Post
What you 'could' say is that you fight over what you 'believe' to be true as they do, not that either one of you is truly correct in your assumptions.
Saying all arguments are about beliefs is completely different from my understanding of your original claim.

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When you truly understand the other persons viewpoint, you say 'I see' and stop fighting them.
What I see is the depth of belief with which someone may hold an apparently (to me) irrational belief. So, yes I will give up trying to persuade them otherwise. But only because if someone has a closed mind, it is pointless expressing an alternative view.

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If you don't really see' then you keep fighting them in the hope of 'correcting' their view of reality. All this 'conversion' is about 'belief' (religion) as I say and has nothing to do with reality, even though you've both convinced yourselves it has - hence you fight and try to change each other instead of leaving each other in peace
You appear to be saying "everything is belief" and "all beliefs are equal". Philosophically that is true, but it is not so scientifically. Scientifically we can go beyond our personal beliefs and arrive at objective "facts". Scientifically, all beliefs are not equal.

Anyway, how is any of what you are now saying relevant to this forum?
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