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Originally Posted by freeztar
The difference is that deep sea hydrothermal ventilation is not a defined variable at this point. I understand your argument that because it is not a defined variable, it renders all other contributions inaccurate. ...
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Originally Posted by Turtle
So it does.
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Really?
So, with that logic, I suppose we should abandon any theory with unknown/undefined variables?
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I have little trust in most peoples' knowledge of the math involved in modeling a complex system. 
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Nor do I, but "most people" don't really hang around these parts.
I certainly cannot claim an ability to construct one of these models, but I have studied several different ones and understand the principles governing them. I'm not an expert and as such, I appeal to those that possess the utility to construct and run these models. If you have some insight into the specifics of the climate models Turtle, then I'm sure that could make for a great thread.
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 I'm talking about the general case here. I directed that quote to whatever specific cases it applies to. You said elsewhere you are in the anthropogenic camp; the quote is for that group. If the shoes fit, wear them; if not, don't.
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I always make sure my shoes fit.
Although sometimes the back of the shoe tends to grate my heels.
(but that's neither here nor there)
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Here's a word or three on the unreliablility (reliability?) of the current computer modeling of climate. Never mind some of these models take five months to do a single run.
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Climate models are inherently unreliable and are time consuming.
Hmm...I see your point. Let's quit modeling altogether, it's pointless. We can never model reality...
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Not to worry, it's covered by your carbon credits.
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What carbon credits?
Oh, you mean the nurturing of the Earth by promoting plant life and general sustainability?
I guess I don't know much about such things...
