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[Turtle]

Originally Posted by modest

I don't know Turtle,

The site you link gets the imagination going especially with this:



and other sites and books report the same (i.e. Betty Sodders' book). But I can't find a scientific study claiming the same. Maybe it's my inadequate searching skills. It would be very, very compelling evidence to have artifacts in the ancient middle east that have trace characteristics of the great lakes. The implications of that would be pretty much irrefutable. People claim such evidence exists - can anyone else find it?

-modest

OK This one is a bit bass ackwards, as it has zinc alloys of copper from the Mediterranean, but found in America. Possibly the copper was mined in America, shipped to Mediterranean, made into tools, then made their way back with consequent voyages. Off to look some more......

http://www.trends.net/~yuku/tran/a3.htm

And here's some more evidence. This is what Gunnar Thompson writes in
his AMERICAN DISCOVERY, Seattle, 1994, on p. 148,

"Recent assays reveal that some of the copper artefacts found in N
American burial mounds were made from zinc-copper alloys used in the
Mediterranean [the endnote here cites Scripps Howard News Service story
of March 27, 1991]. Ancient metal crafters added zinc to harden copper
into a bronze alloy. The shapes of the copper tools found in American
archaeological sites are identical to those of the ancient
Mediterranean, including chisels, dagger blades, wedges, hoes, scythes,
axes and spear points. These tools often have specific modifications,
including the use of rivets, spines and sockets, all of which were
characteristic of Mediterranean tools."

PS Something on the gentics side.

Ancient America

Archaeologists are just beginning to realize that to understand European prehistory, American prehistory must also be considered. The Solutreans of Spain are now believed to have crossed the Atlantic using the southern Equatorial current and entered the Caribbean and Central America between 18,000 and 12,000 years ago to become known as the Clovis hunters of America. Recent genetic findings suggest that the people now known as Gaelic speaking Celts (including Irish, Welsh, Scots, Basques and Berbers) are a remnant of a group of people who also left Spain between 1,8000 and 12,000 years ago and spent 6,000 years isolated from Europe before returning, bringing the Megalithic culture to coastal Europe.

Geneticist Prof Steve Jones, who recently published a book called Y - The Descent of Man, said;

"Genetics provided more reliable clues to the distant past than language did". He and colleagues at University College, London, have spent years creating a genetic map of the Y chromosome, which is passed by males from generation to generation. The results show that the Welsh are related to the Basques of northern Spain and southern France and to native Americans. He said: "There has been much less interbreeding in Wales than you might expect. Wales and Ireland have the most homogenous group of males of anywhere in the world, from the research that's been done so far".

He said; "The Y chromosome common among Welsh males was an ancient one. Most native Americans have the same one. Surprisingly perhaps, the genetics show that the Welsh are not related to the Cornish, despite the similarity of their languages. The Cornish are in effect Anglo-Saxons who for a time used a language that was hanging around. The genes of Scottish males betrayed considerable inter-mixing with outsiders".
...
...Barry Fell, author of 'America B.C.' is an accomplished decipherer of ancient scripts and has managed to identify a great deal of Celtic, Phoenician, Iberian, Egyptian, Berber, Libyan and Viking scripts in America, indicating that a great deal of trade contact occurred during and after the Bronze Age, but ceasing around the time of the beginning of the Roman Empire. ...

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