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Old 02-27-2008   #104 (permalink)
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Arrow Re: Climate Model Skepticisim and Complex Systems

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Originally Posted by freeztar View Post
...Out of curiousity, can you point to a model that shows opposite trends from models such as the Met Office Hadley Centre computer models. Out of all the models I've looked into, I'm unaware of any that show anything but a warming trend. If such a model exists, I'd sure like to see it. If it doesn't, then we have to wonder why that is.
No, I have no such specific models, which is not to say they don't exist. Several reasons come to mind as to why none seem handy: 1) Without the input data from the things still unknown/unrecognized as significant contributors, then all models with such ommissions may make similar predictions. 2) The models are tweaked so they accurately reflect current conditions, be that warming, CO2 rise, etcetera, and once that goal is accomplished then a run is made that goes into the future. This is not speculation, but rather the real process of model making. 3) No one is currently investing in contrarian models. 4) The current warming is not contested, rather the predictions of what follows is the bugga-boo.

Mind you I am relying on what I know, and my own reasoning, to evaluate this business, and not following some other person's agenda or lead. Any links I find are secondary to my own conclusions and reflect my best effort to find some source with some similar reasoning. If you have a different understanding of the mathematics than I, then it is not surprising you draw different conclusions on the application of that math, and no less true for the climatologists. The game is still afoot, and it is far too early to definitively say Miss Scarlet did it in the Conservatory with the wrench.


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