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[Freethinker]

Originally posted by: TINNY

Do you find any different qur'an?

What does this have to do with whether it is accurate or not? I only know of one version of the movie "Never Ending Story". But that does not mean it is a true story.

But if YOU can show us ORIGINAL TEXTS, as in FIRST writings transcribed DIRECTLY from Muhammad himself, we can at least accept that this IS what he said. YOU can NOT do that. And as has been show above

1) it is quite certain that when the Prophet died there was no collected, collated, arranged body of material of his revelations

2) thus existing texts were first passed verbally

3) material was being recited by different groups of Muslims in different dialectal forms, thus errors introduced

Therefore there is no question that the text we have today can NOT be claimed to be accurate to the original.

Further, even if it could, this is NOT proof of the text being from some god.

At the time of muhammad it was memorized by his followers.

and was "recited by different groups of Muslims in different dialectal forms". So so what?

It is unlikely that with so many people who memorized it, there is no different versions of the qur'an till this day.

Why would this be the case? Just because there was a specific effort to eliminate all but one verion of the texts does not give any factual credence to the result. You need to learn what actually serves as valid proof and what is "logical fallacies".

"And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us." (Qur'an 50:38) Same nonsense as the bible!

What is meant by six days (in the Qur 'an) is not what we normally say as six days.

Thus the Qur 'an LIES.

The creation of the universe was very complex. So for us to understand, god says it was created in six days. Some muslim scholars say it means six stages.

See? YOU admit that even "muslim scholars" can't agree on what it says or does not say. Once more showing the error of it. If it was FACTUAL, there would not be disagreement on what it "means". It would SAY what it means.,

From the theory of relativity, we know that time is not what we normally think it is. So it implies a different meaning of 'six days'. read this

1) There was no response from the URL provided.

2) perhaps YOUR idea of what time is does not agree with General Relativity, I do not have that problem. I comprehend time based on General Relativity.

3) There is NOTHING about General Relativity that would contradict a "day" being other than one rotation of the earth.

These pseudo-scientific type ramblings are merely obfuscation. Of no real value in developing an understanding of reality.