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Originally Posted by Biochemist
But the overriding issue is the fraction of warming related to the solar cycle. There has always been significant research on this topic, although most is generally discounted by the (political) IPCC.
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Name what specific conclusion of theirs is false. If you cannot, then I kindly ask you cease from further blanket claims and handwaving. You've tried to dismiss the literally thousands of studies they've brought together with your single comment that they are "political," and that's just not good enough.
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Originally Posted by Biochemist
I confess I do not always understand the "forcing" calculations as offered above in InfiniteNow's post #247. I am frankly suspicious of the frameworks that use "Forcing models" that I can't decipher.
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This is an appeal to ignorance. Basically, you think that since you haven't put the time in to understand the models, and since you are not competent enough to decipher them that there must be something inherently wrong with them. If you are not capable of challenging the content of the presentations made here then you really shouldn't respond.
But, really? You couldn't decipher these two graphs? That's quite striking. Why don't you ask a specific question so perhaps we can help you arrive upon the answers you seek?
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Originally Posted by Biochemist
But the correlation between solar cycles and temperature since about 1850 is much higher than between CO2 and temperature.
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Now, that's just wrong. Here is another simple example for you. What part do you think is incorrect or misrepresentative? Be specific.
I've found a wealth of knowledge at the following, so perhaps you can catch yourself up too!
RealClimate - Recent Warming But No Trend in Galactic Cosmic Rays
RealClimate - A critique on Veizer’s Celestial Climate Driver
RealClimate - The lure of solar forcing
RealClimate - Did the Sun hit record highs over the last few decades?
RealClimate - Another study on solar influence
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Originally Posted by Final RealClimate link above
[T]here is not much evidence pointing to the sun being responsible for the warming since the 1950s.
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Originally Posted by Biochemist
But the correlation between solar cycles and temperature since about 1850 is much higher than between CO2 and temperature.
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You know, I've quite countered your point already above with an abundance of resources, but I'll add a little jab into your rib cage to really crystalize my point.
There's also a correlation between people carrying umbrellas and it raining outside, but that doesn't mean that people carrying umbrellas makes it rain.
