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Originally Posted by Turtle
___Since the five principles set forward refer to mechanical (mecahanistic) properties, I do not see anyone leaving the box any time soon. Do I understand you want some new principle that explains the five without invoking them? Your box is just Plato's Cave & your principles are shadows. 
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They are presented as being mechanical, because that is what they were taken to be when first theoretically interpreted. I am hoping we can begin by agreeing to treat them as if they were mechanical. I believed that to be the simplest way to get agreement. I just want to achieve a first level of agreement, even if the rest of you only agree to agree among yourselves. No I do not expect to be getting out of the box anytime soon. We haven't yet constructed the box. The box should not be constructed by me. That is the first part of this task. I do not want some new principle from anyone. I am asking that we examine empirical knowledge and its introduction into theoretical analysis.
James