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[Thunderbird]

Originally Posted by REASON

I apologize, T-bird. I don't want to appear to be implying that you have promoted I.D. I will attest that you have continually denied Intelligent Design or any other form of Creationism.

What I meant was that you have suggested, I believe, that there are inherent qualities in nature that lend themselves toward increasing complexity, which has been challenged as teleological putting you in the position of defending youself. Even Eclogite acknowledged that simply dismissing something as teleological was scientifically closed-minded, if I recall correctly.

I think in some of those discussions that you provided some very valuable information to consider. I was trying to clarify why some of the discussions you were involved in regarding evolution found their way toward a debate about creationism.

I admit that there are some itchy trigger fingers when it comes to creationists around here. I tend to think that's because of the shear number of posters over the years that have come here to proselytize.

I very much agree. Teleological is however is real tricky to speak about given the local climate.
What I define as an inherent order that leads to more order as intelligents may get categorized into preexisting views that where never intended, that by its nature is unscientific or philosophical. To me it is simply a buy product of studying life as a quality of the universe, and not something separate from it. If we have intelligents it is something that is a quality of the world.