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[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by InfiniteNow

But that's neither here, nor there, Mike. Right now it would be cooler without humans. Right now, humans are warming the climate, and that warming is not natural. Right now, plants and animals are dying as a result of our contributions of CO₂ to the atmosphere, and we are (quite literally) destroying the base of the food chain on which we exist, as well as feeding more destructive and extreme weather conditions which devastate our habitats (residential and farming both).

That is part of my point, the Earth and it's biosphere doesn't exist to service us, it changes as the climate changes. For us to say it should be the way that serves us best is hubris on a huge scale. I will agree all day long we should change the climate any more than is absolutely necessary but to think we control the climate or that we should control the climate is just plain wrong. Not only that but the changes we have made are minuscule compared to the changes in the broad sweep of time. Animal populations will change as the climate changes. If we want a stable climate we need to leave the earth and construct our own biospheres. No matter how hard we try the Earth is going to change, if our tiny change from the current norm is a disastrous change then we are doomed because the mere presence of humans on this planet are going to cause change. We cannot avoid it with out cutting our numbers back to around a few million or so. I don't think that is going to happen.