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[jackson33]

Buffy;

Disenfranchise or intimidation of voters can have the same results and both illegal. The problem is where the voters become the intimidated and little can be done. This years we had up to 97% of Blacks and 80% of young voter, arguable indoctrinated (Students) which can be quite unruly to most anyone over 35-40. If this trend were to continue, I think it will, voting will become a undesirable task, not worth the effort. Take this for what its worth, but true in many urban areas of this country today...

According to government statistics, up to 5 Million loans may have been issued to 'Illegal Aliens'. The areas hit hardest by your 'Housing Bubble' were Southern California, Nevada (Las Vegas), Florida and then rural areas around the Country, all of which have heavy concentrations of illegals. Even today, most areas around this country are reporting less than 2% default rates, the common norm. Add to this the effects of the 1989 Savings and Loan problem (similar to today) and the 2000 Tech bubble burst and those minor effects on the overall economy, then YES, I could summarize this should have been no worse than those two periods. IMO, GWB was advised of rising default rates building with a rising concerns on immigration (Phoenix) and pursued his Reform Act, which at the time and today I believe should have been passed. No housing collapse, no recession and then no crisis...

As for lending practices or loaning to folks that had no business trying to buy homes or bought homes over their current incomes, you have an entirely different issue, with very different causes for defaulting, all of which had/have been problems since people first bought into the home market and will be forever.

As for economist agreeing, think you would have a problem finding one to disagree...

Guess in trying to over simplifying inequalities, by using States, should have just stuck to California. You have probably 30 districts that control the State, all of which are in and around SD/LA or SF. Yes, they make up the majority of people, but all those that live in the other 23 districts covering 80% of the area live under laws designed for urban areas or their needs. Where this might be OK at the State level, I hardly think it acceptable to those States with virtually no interest in common with the few that represent the majority.

The US, today IMO remains socially conservative or center right. They believe in Motherhood, Church and Family Values and their rights to fail or succeed in life and want as little government involvement as possible, especially taxes. I'll go a couple steps further and suggest those demographics that are increasing, Latinos and 1st generation Americans (up to 10 million from everywhere) are further right than you might think and
will be dominate voting blocks in 2-4 and eight years from now.

Thunderbird, is from small town USA and no doubt republican. He is concerned with the results of this election as are all thinking republicans or even those wanting to maintain the two party system or as you say keeping a check on which ever variation may hold the Executive or Legislative Branch. Back on track, probably has less meaning than your giving and certainly half of those 85% thinking about getting on track, have opposite views of what 'on track' means. In my mind getting on track is keeping the Federal on its intended track and out of State issues.

I do not criticize people, nor does Limbaugh or do most people in politics at any level. We have differences in policy or the means to effect change or simply stated the functions and purpose of government in the US. You actually use specific names of people (personal level) more than anyone I have ever discussed politics with. Do you really think Chaney, Gonzales, GWB, Rove or anybody really hates their political opponent or thinks those folks WANT to destroy this country or that I hate Obama for some personal bias? I hope he is successful, even in proving me wrong but at the first sign of socialism, he will be criticized by me and with all the effort I can gather...