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Originally Posted by Moontanman
The really sad thing about all this is even if the creationists win, they still loose. No matter how much noise and support they garner they are still wrong and sadly too ignorant to know they are wrong. Reality is not an issue that can be won by my side is bigger or stronger than your side. So even if they win they loose  |
Agreed. The creationists have placed themselves in a lose-lose situation. The children however, will win out if religious pseudoscience is recognized as what it is and dismissed as such.
More coverage for those out there who are interested in following along:
The blog
Evo Sphere had some good live coverage. Lots of pictures, even Barney the Dinosaur was there:
More over at the
Texas Freedom Network blog:
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Originally Posted by TFN blog
Creationists who control the board have argued that teaching students arguments against evolution is simply a matter of academic freedom. Apparently, however, limiting public discussion about the wisdom of such a policy is just fine with them.
The January meeting will be the last — and only the second — public hearing on science curriculum standards that will be in place for a decade. Yet McLeroy and other board members appear to have decided that they can’t be bothered to listen for more than a few hours.
Speakers who support watering down instruction on evolution were outnumbered by about 8-1 on Wednesday by those who support giving Texas kids a science education that’s appropriate for the 21st century. We’re left to wonder if creationists who control the state board would support hearing more testimony in January if their supporters had carried the day this week.
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Also, some more not-quite-comical creationist nonsense:
Evolution proponents descend on state education panel | Top Stories | Star-Telegram.com
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"Scientists overwhelmingly consider evolution to be established, mainstream science, and scientists have been crystal-clear in explaining that phony arguments against evolution are based on ideology, not science," said Kathy Miller, president of the Texas Freedom Network.
Wendee Holtcamp, a freelance writer, drew a sharp reprimand from McLeroy when she accused the board of lying. "Are you willing to play dice with our children’s education as our nation’s science lead deteriorates?" Holtcamp asserted.
One of the few voices from the other side came from Paul Kramer, a Carrollton engineer, who said that more than 700 eminent scientists welcome the teaching of pros and cons about evolution. Not allowing debate over untested and unproven theories "seems out of place in a free society” and is reminiscent of book-burning in Nazi Germany, he said.
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I guess the above creationist(Kramer) hasn't heard of
Project Steve, a list of over 900 scientists with the name Steve, who support teaching evolution.
