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Originally Posted by jackson33
It was early voting where my concerns drew from, where little control was present and most the stories came from.
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Um, what stories? Not even Drudge seems to have published any, and even if it had been anecdotal I'm sure Fox would have been non-stop with it.
Conversely, we've got months worth of major newspaper coverage of the US Attorney's scandal.
No doubt what you claim might have happened in a place or two. Those black folks--especially the ones that go to the trouble of voting early--certainly are scary looking!
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Also thought you might argue back, what we did to blacks in the past, which we did, but neither acceptable.
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Sure, and I'm actually not at all calling you racist here!
The relevant Right Wing Talking Point is that Obama being elected is proof that there is no racism any more. I would hope that's true, and apparently so do you. Unfortunately, if this point you're making about White people being scared of getting in the polling booth lines simply because there were Black people in them is a *counter proof* to this argument!
Moreover, it does not take much demographic data to show that the only counties--early voting typically takes place in county offices--that are integrated enough to actually have mixed lines are actually quite liberal already (Alameda County in California is a great example, and we had oodles of well integrated lines, including old White folks voting alongside young Black folks).
The only logical conclusions here are that either lots of folks still harbor unconscious racism, or your claims are false.
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If you really want to continue taking statements taken out of contents or made to amplify some point, I'll look up a few and we can spend months concluding nothing. I would start with Reverend Wright, who would seem to have nothing good to say about Obama, Clinton or even the country he lives in...
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As I said in my last post, folks like Reverend Wright hold no sway on the Democratic Party. Conversely, Dick Cheney has given relatively few interviews, but has made special time for folks like Rush Limbaugh.
Its a matter of closeness and scale that's important, not just "did-did not" have any point of contact. Same with that Big Boogieman Bill Ayers that Sarah is *still* bringing up.
Sure we could do tit for tat on this, but the examples on the right are so feeble as to be absurd.
Go ahead. Make my day. Just do it in another thread.
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Since you do seem to have some knowledge in American History, you might note our founders really got along quite well socially, but had very different ideas on policy.
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Absolutely! And that's what we have to do to Recreate America!
We have got to stop the Gingrich's and Delay's and Cheney's that insist on political polarization.
When even centrist Republican's like Schwarzenegger get tarred as "not real Republicans" like you did in an earlier post, where is there room for *any* accommodation or compromise?
The hallmark of the Bush administration was to get elected on a soft "Compassionate Conservatism" sound bite which immediately morphed into the
"overwhelming mandate" of the 2000 election while now some of the same conservative pundits that proclaimed it so are saying that Obama "has no mandate."
That's just polarizing, politically-motivated hate, not even friendly social discourse.
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I have said this before, but there is a commonality here of like minded posters and/or management. Also as said before this is understandable. My only argument with policy is some apparent reprimand made to some not understanding this and the relative high number of banning toward those disagreed with.
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That's certainly a matter of perception.
What's certainly a truism is that those that spend time in their posts claiming unfair persecution rather than actually backing up their assertions are usually busy claiming that Einstein was wrong or that gravity doesn't exist, and I think you're a much more logical fellow than that.
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No, recreating America is anything but complex. America is our law and Constitutional foundation, which is firmly established in our laws today, Federal and all States. It is what it is and change has to come slow or what is America will be something entirely different.
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So you'd agree that inventing new branches of government that are beyond the purview of the Constitution, or suspending whole sections of it, or abrogating treaties that are "inconvenient" without the approval of Congress like the outgoing administration has done is a bad thing? Great!
We're then in complete agreement as to how to move forward!
All we have to do is move away from this notion that we can declare that suspending our hard won freedoms and Constitutional rights is necessary because we're "at War" and go back to actually defending those freedoms and responsibilities!
And most importantly, stop accusing the other half of the citizens of this country as being anti-American simply on the basis of who they vote for.
But as long as there are folks think that nothing the President does can be considered illegal or can even be stopped (only if it's a Republican President of course!), and that anyone who disagrees with a particular party's platform is a "Marxist" then unfortunately, I disagree: it is going to be hard.
Fortunately, I don't think there are actually that many of those people, although they are all the leaders of the Conservative movement, and they've hijacked true Conservatism in America.
When even Barry Goldwater disagrees with this trend, you know that the party is indeed too radical:
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Originally Posted by Barry Goldwater, Interview with Lloyd Grove, The Washington Post, 28 July 1994
The big thing is to make this country, along with every other country in the world with a few exceptions, quit discriminating against people just because they're gay. You don't have to agree with it, but they have a constitutional right to be gay. And that's what brings me into it.
The oldest philosophy in the world is conservatism, and I go clear back to the first Greeks. ... When you say 'radical right' today, I think of these moneymaking ventures by fellows like Pat Robertson and others who are trying to take the Republican Party away from the Republican Party, and make a religious organization out of it. If that ever happens, kiss politics goodbye.
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Oh, but I'm sure Barry Goldwater had no right to call himself a Republican either....
I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass,
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