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If you look at this genesis story, presented by Turtle, it sounds just like a dream. Many of these stories came from special dreams that were spontaneously created in a natural way. This dream is full of symbols, which is the language of the unconscious mind. It tells about the birth of the modern human mind as it left natural instinct.

Let me try to interpret these symbols, like a dream. Based on the psychology of Jung, there are three levels of brain software or archetypes. This is a male's dream by the nature of the symbols. The lowest level in a man appear as animal symbols and is connected to instincts. The middle level are connected to relationship and appears as a female in the male. The highest level are connected to meaning and are often personified as a wise old man.

The Old man south wind is connected to the highest level archetypes of meaning. He is hungry meaning he needs food for thought to create meaning. The giant woman is bigger than life and symbolized the collective relationships of nature that are larger than the individual. She is sort of like mother nature for the modern. This is not a personal dream but is done for the collective or tribal psyche. She can not give him food. In other words, the relationships that are known have little meaning to the tribe. For example, they can see animals migrating and know enough to hunt them but this still has no explanation or meaning. It just happens.

She gives him a net to feed himself. This particular person is developing meaning from scratch catching ideas or fish in the sea or unconscious mind, that are spontaneously appearing, placing them into memory. It is a creative brain storming process that is feeding his need for meaning.

The little whale is a large fish but it is small. This is an important concept of meaning that will grow bigger but it is just starting out. The vertical or axial cut preferred over the cross cut has to do with how to prepare this idea. Vertical has a connection between meaning and instinct (grounded). The horizontal is connected to the two arms or mind and emotion. The first will place the food (meaning) in contact with a sense of relationship with nature and natural instinct. The second would be more connected to a cultural subjectivity such as dogma ideas backed by emotion. It was meant to be a fluid system that can adapt like instinct and not a fixed procedure. But he choses the procedure. This is similar to the tree of knowledge instead of tree of life.

Because of this choice, the fish changes into a huge bird. Instead of being grounded in natural instinct, the idea become more in the air. It blocks the sun. The sun is the symbol of the inner self or the core of the brain. The interpretation of this new meaning separates from the grounding of instincts. It blocks the sun or that natural connection to the core. This appears to symbolize the separation of the ego, with the influence of the inner self darkened (unconscious).

The giant woman takes the eggs and breaks them open and each was not good but they become an indian. The giant woman is collective relationships sort of mother nature. The eggs are not part of nature, which is why they are not good. Or the new human was detached from the original order of the rest of nature. It was the new human who had broken its connection to instinct. Coming down the mountain sort of shows the affect first in the mind and then becoming reality. Or it began in the imagination of what will be, and gradually comes into tangible existence. The result are sort of the new type of animal not fully part of nature but more part of culture (two arms).

Adam and Eve is a similar story where they start in paradise or where the pre-humans are connected to nature in a natural way. Eve than adam eating knowledge of good and evil, is human subjective knowledge instead of building on instinct. Death comes into the world because, as history shows human knowledge is constantly subject to revision. Instincts are not constantly revised by nature but new behavior is simply added onto this strong foundation. If he had cut vertical the indians would have formed from good eggs. But it appears humans all formed from bad eggs. These myths give us insight into the very beginning of the transition.

Last edited by HydrogenBond; 12-05-2008 at 10:32 AM..
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