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Old 12-09-2008   #1010 (permalink)
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Re: My belief in Global Warming is getting shaky

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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi View Post
Imagine, if the Gore AGW wonder drug goes wrong........would'nt a lot of people wonder why there was no due diligence done .....snake oil salesman.
There are 4 reasons to get off the fossil fuels ASAP.

1. Economic security
Peak oil and gas will most probably occur within the next 10 years, and fuel prices will skyrocket as rationing is forced upon us. See the Australian Federal Senate inquiry final report here, especially Chapter 3 on "peak oil concerns".
Parliament of Australia:Senate:Committees:Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Committee:Australia’s future oil supply and alternative transport fuels
Catalyst covered the basics quite well here — good online viewing summarising some of the 3 basic issues with oil discovery trends over the last 40 years.
Catalyst: Real Oil Crisis - ABC TV Science
ABC science unit's movie "Crude" is free online here.
Crude - the incredible journey of oil - Broadband edition - ABC Science
Chevron basically admit peak oil and ask for help here.
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2. We are changing the climate
They know what Co2 does by measuring the way it refracts various spectra of energy in a lab, and this is repeatable, demonstrable, testable, falsifiable science — and it is confirmed all the time. They also know how much extra Co2 is storing how much extra energy in the atmosphere. (Google "Radiative Forcing Equation" for more).

The role of Co2 is real, even if other large climate forcings also still play a role (like the incredibly powerful El Nino / La Nina cycle). Climate sceptics tend to ignore the fact that climate change is about the basic physics, and try and ignore these basic facts under a could of obfuscation.

3. National security
Sudden exposure to oil shocks could cause international tension. Shortages could cause profound flow on effects affecting all industries, especially mining and agriculture.

4. Health concerns
Fossil fuels are incredibly dirty and cause all manner of lung disease and cancer. Lung cancer rates in the beautiful Hunter valley wine district are 3 times higher than in Sydney, because of the coal powered stations up there!


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I still hav'nt got an exact answer to my question - If the sun was turned off/disapeared, how long would it take for the Earth to cool down to an average of zero degrees celsius. Seems an easy question of those with a complete understanding of climate
That's because it's irrelevant to this thread, they already DID respond to this silliness pages and pages ago, you're sidetracking from the fact that you don't want to answer questions about the basic physics and Radiative Forcing Equation above, and are basically an internet troll diverting us into la la land while not engaging the actual material being presented here.

Other than that, have a nice day.


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Abolish the Australian States to prepare for peak oil!

Last edited by Eclipse Now; 12-09-2008 at 04:09 PM..
 
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