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Originally Posted by Pyrotex
There is no inside / outside relationship between Map and Mind.....There is a single (one only) dynamic self-organizing, self-reinforcing, semantic structure within the brain....
Penrose and others make the fatal mistake of trying to compare the Mind/Map to other physical paradigms in the Universe. Like quantum mechanics...The Mind/Map entity is unique in the Universe. There ARE NO OTHER paradigms that can be used to explain it.
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Thank you for all these very helpful explanations of what Korzybski as a philosopher was saying about relationship of Mind/Map as a dialectic entity. But, I do not agree that there are no other comparable paradigms. What Korzybski rationalized as the relationship between Mind/Map has been put into formal terms by Per Bak via his concept of 'self-organized criticality'...see this Wiki link for information:
Self-organized criticality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
His concept of the 'Mind/Map entity" as an emergent property is not in any way "unique in the universe"--in fact, it is a property of many, many dynamic systems, living (for example brain) and non-living (a pile of sand grains). See Per Bak nice book, "How Nature Works":
Per Bak: How Nature Works: The Science of Self-Organised Criticality
I would also argue that Korzybski idea of 'Mind/Map entity', as where "inside and outside no longer exist" has direct application to quantum theory. Here is my outline. The Brain state where Mind and Map form the Korzybski dialectic (that is where inside and outside merge) is what is called the
Critical Point in physics which results in an
Attractor leading to
Self Organized Criticality, and this process is explained mathematically by quantum
Conformal Field Theory. All the terms in bold can be found at Wikipedia.
So, as I see it, I agree with Korzybski's philosophy if one takes it to mean that, first, both Mind and Map exist within the Brain, but there is a Critical Point within the Brain where the two form an Attractor physical existence (a philosophic dialectic), and this superposition leads to an emergent property of Self-Organized Criticality within the Brain that the Philosopher Korzybski could only call the the "I" in the 1930's, but which today can be explained via quantum mechanics using Conformal Field Theory.
Now, since the Territory is also a dynamic entity with Self-Organized Criticality that follows the same quantum rules as the Map, it is rational that the priori existing Territory would evolve over time to form a dynamic system that could create a Map of it--existence (reality) evolved to map itself, but the Map that exists is not real.
Finally, your comments about having the reader think about themselves. Most humans in early teens undergo a very emotional mental state, what has been called the Existential Moment. I found it to be a very disturbing experience--why was it needed that my mind inform me that "I" Exist ? I did not will nor want such an experience--yet there it was, multiple times. Now I wonder, is it at that moment in the time of each human life when Korzybski would say that the 'Mind/Map Entity' first appears as the "I" ?
