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Originally Posted by engineerdude
More than enough research has been done. People currently have nothing to do with global climate. On the other hand, we destroy coral, pollute rivers, erode topsoil, plenty of very real things. You are wasting your time and effort with imaginary problems like global warming. And you are in fact hurting the planet by diverting money and energy to pretend-issues things like AGW, instead of actually helping our world be better. In my opinion.
And I will be happy to continue trying to convince you all of this, people I respect, and who's opinions I value.
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OK we have established we are both concerned about environmental degradation.
I see where you are coming from. Although I don't believe we can afford it to be an "either" , "or" problem. We have to fix
all the environmental problems we have created.
Remember this is a very new concept down to Rachel Carson 30 years ago- max.
I too have doubts, and did not believe in global warming a few years ago.
Global modelling is
very imprecise- look at the daily ,weather forecast!
If you listen to some of the links I gave, some support your point of view.
What is especially worrying is the state of the debate- when people can get environmental prizes for getting people to turn of city lights for an hour.!!! The breathtaking ignorance of this is awesome.
My environment minister is about to bow to environmental ignorance and popularism and ban plastic bags.
As if he had never heard of plastic bottles or a 5c refund on all bottles (My
Boy Scout hall was built by re-cycling beer bottles -my Dad built a fair bit of it on his own!
But now I think I am with Rupert Murdock
"You have to give the planet the benefit of the doubt".
If any "tipping points' really happen, it is going to get very scary, very quickly.
There is nothing 'out there' that convinces me we are going in the right direction to avoid these Tipping Points..
One easy thing farmers (gardeners) can do is sequester carbon (see
Terra preta threads). At worse, this helps reduce fertiliser use and fertiliser run-off-pollution.
At best, it slows global warming
(or just CO2 increase if you like) while improving soil productivity.
No downside; better than turning off lights for an hour while out at your favourite restaurant; or banning plastic bags for the alternative "Green Plastic Bags"
