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Old 01-15-2009   #635 (permalink)
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Re: Origin of the Universe,,,,Bang or no Bang

G'day from the land of ozzz

I must have lost the notes that I posted.
Coldcreation said

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Actually, the real question that begs attention is not the old ‘what came first, the chicken or the egg?' The new question is: what came before the chicken and the egg. Guth’s answer:

Nothing.

So true.

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Hello Maddog

What is your point?

One of the main issues in cosmology is the understanding of what is actually going on.

Jet formation is one of the most important processes, that can explain what happens to matter going in and out of the so called black holes.

One of the biggest problems is that we cannot see into a black hole. So we really on the properties of the jet to estimate whats in the core of a compact object.

Maddog said

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However, you being a proponent or protagonist for cycling, I would expect you to
espouse the idea of spontaneous creation a Hoyle did in his Steady State theories
from back in the 50s.
The cyclic process does not create spontaneous matter from nothing.

Lets take the example of matter that is pulled into a compact object. Matter undergoes several phase changes, as we see in the formation of Neutron stars and the next phase or phases where neutron matter is broken down to quarkes and so on. These transients have been reorded to form jets via electromagnetic waves colliding and releasing huge amounts of matter. Most jets that form away from the core are quite unstable. The main jet that originates from the combination of the core and the accretion disc is the most stable that can remain in the same position for millions of years. This is one form of evidence that suggests that the main jet originates from the core or a combination with the disc. The other evidence is the degenerate matter that is ejected from the BH and the electromagnetic fields that form a stable evironment for the ejected matter to go deep into space affecting star formation and to the extent of influencing the form of galaxy clusters.

So what we have is matter going in and matter coming out as degenerate matter that reforms into normal matter. This is a simple cyclic process.

This process is well documented, its not my idea.

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