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Originally Posted by Pluto
What is your point?
One of the main issues in cosmology is the understanding of what is actually going on.
Jet formation is one of the most important processes, that can explain what happens to matter going in and out of the so called black holes.
One of the biggest problems is that we cannot see into a black hole. So we really on the properties of the jet to estimate whats in the core of a compact object.
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Your text I marked in blue above is The truest and accurate statement I have read by you. However your text I marked in Red is not accurate, misleading and not quite true.
The properties of jets around Black Holes are outside phenomena. They infer nothing of the processes going in inside a hole. Basically you are completely prevented from doing this -- knowing Anything goin' on in there.
One exception (Quasi-Exception at that) would be by way of Berkenstein Conjecture (which I believe he won the bet from Hawking on this) that you can a bit of info from a Black Hole -- it's effective Temperature. That's it. Nothing else you already don't know (all effects known are outside).
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Maddog said
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Originally Posted by maddog
However, you being a proponent or protagonist for cycling, I would expect you to espouse the idea of spontaneous creation a Hoyle did in his Steady State theories from back in the 50s.
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It is rare when I find we agree, so I will make note of this for future reference. Like you then, I also don't subscribe nor agree with Hoyle about spontaneous creation of matter, with the caveat exception of vacuum fluctuations. You do still get this. This is a Quantum Mechanical effect and can happen. This though is not enough to make any "classical scale" matter.
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Originally Posted by Pluto
Lets take the example of matter that is pulled into a compact object. Matter undergoes several phase changes, as we see in the formation of Neutron stars and the next phase or phases where neutron matter is broken down to quarkes and so on.
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I am not aware of such a process as this would need increase gravity push past the Strong Force barrier to "freely" disassociate quarks into a quark plasma.
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These transients have been reorded to form jets via electromagnetic waves colliding and releasing huge amounts of matter. Most jets that form away from the core are quite unstable.
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This comment [I assume implying a "bow shock" as jet expands away from the Black Hole would be enough to create a quark plasma ??? I don't remember this implication in any of those 54 reference you listed earlier [though I may have missed one].
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The main jet that originates from the combination of the core and the accretion disc is the most stable that can remain in the same position for millions of years. This is one form of evidence that suggests that the main jet originates from the core or a combination with the disc.
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I don't think you have been reading those papers you listed. The
Blandford-Znajek Mechanism mentioned in those papers
clearly and specifically show how the accreting matter falling into the Black Hole is the source, the ionizing matter as it falls generates a hughe E-Field, moving charges generating the huge B-Field (magnetic field) and the twisting magnetic fields caused by the fact the Black Hole rotates send the jet flying out along the axis of spin (Only two jets BTW).
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The other evidence is the degenerate matter that is ejected from the BH and the electromagnetic fields that form a stable evironment for the ejected matter to go deep into space affecting star formation and to the extent of influencing the form of galaxy clusters.
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It is statements like this that begin to wonder what it is you are smoking... #%^&
I don't think you could give me a
SPECIFIC "Reputable" Reference as to
other evidence. I would require Reputable as I do not just accept any wild-ass website out there with some crazy idea. Science, not Fantasy. I wonder what you mean by
degenerate matter and how it could possibly be
ejected from the BH were that even possible [which it is
NOT]. See I italicized the remaining part of the statement in that were it not part of the same sentence of the first part would be true. The forming Jet would and likely does effect or influence the environment surrounding the BH. Were this compact object as big as AGN then the whole of that galaxy would be effected. How though this would influence the evolution of galaxy clusters kind of escapes me yet I concede might be possible.
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[conclusion]=So what we have is matter going in and matter coming out as degenerate matter that reforms into normal matter. This is a simple cyclic process.
This process is well documented, its not my idea.
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This conclusion of yours is the smoke exiting some pipedream of your and has no basis in reality. Maybe you're just not getting it, I don't know.
No, this process is not documented any where but where you stated it and it is very much you idea and yours alone.
Matter exiting en-masse from a black hole would cause to hole give up all its mass way more quickly than predicted causing a Contradiction. Maybe you need to think about this some more.
maddog
