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Re: Phoenix (20?), ZENN (20-200), SsangYong (~9,000), and GM (~260,000 employees)

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If GM crashes the Phoenix SUV/SUT could easilly take over GM's manufaturing plants, gut out the gas engine works departments, and crank out cheaper, more economical and eco friendly vehicles.
I think GAHD misunderstands how Phoenix makes their cars....gas motor replaced with an electric motor, and batteries and control systems added.
Bit of a nitpick here, but this stops them from taking over the chassis-creation (automated CNC) divisions how? This stops them from wiping out the gas-engine works depts (including drivetrain, exaust, and other associatedsystems they hav e 'experience' removing), how?


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Also, although I’m unable to find a populated field for it at any online company profining site, Phoenix Motorcars appears to have on the order of 20 employees. It’s simply too small to take over even the senior management of a large manufacturing company, let alone its actual operations.
IYO. I think one of the major problems is too much management. I'm a fan of 'workers as management' companies. EG the 'cell' architecture of Standard Aero ltd.
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If by die, you mean..."recareering" of so many skilled workers is too appalling for me to wish for.
No I mean a complete removal of anyone who doesn't twist a wrench; phasing out high-level management first, followed by and extensive downsizing of 'middle management' untill the company has a more direct communication line between the 'floor' and the 'office' hopefully with with the various 'lead hand' or 'floor senior' workers taking up more pf the papertrail(or eliminating some of it)

It WOULD mean recareering of the various engine related specialists, but machieneing is machieneing is machieneing. Eg: I know a few old deisel tractor mechanics who are now working in aerospace; skills are allways transferable.

tank-makers can still cut & weld: just battery mounts now.
machienists now macheine the various SIMPLE EM fixtures, instead of 400+ inter-connected pieces.

Onboard ECM specialists work off a new wiring diagram

Of course such an initiative would invove a large-scale downsize of the behemoth that is GM, with various facilities getting sold off (eg crash testing: outsourced) But considering the LARGE boondogle that is GM and HAS been GM for the past 10 years...I still think it's worth it.


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