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Re: Phoenix (20?), ZENN (20-200), SsangYong (~9,000), and GM (~260,000 employees)

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neat docu about the body structure. Lotta robots.

"Discovery Channel: How It's Made === 025 How It's Made 2x12 (Cars, ..."

Again, divide the big corp down and let the small companies have pieces like this. For in-city use in places not subject to ecological extremes making current battery tech viable for in-city bulk use, and current capacitor technology for necessary burst draws, I don't see many issues. The bolt-fitters in the engine in dept get replaced with tester-wielding sparkies checking in-wheel motors and cap systems.

Don't think many chariots get made style anymore...

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... A company of 20 people can’t begin doing the jobs of tens of thousands of people, even if trained to do them, because there are simply too few people in it. Even if some part of the whole vehicle manufacturing process...is so highly automated that only a few people are needed to operate it...
I was referring to having these various parts of the bigger GM conglomerate 'sold off' as whole to other smaller manufacturers to prevent the "too many eggs in one basket" problem that is currently threatening to continue an economic collapse.
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If a large car company crashes and burns, whoever picks up the pieces will likely need to employ many of the dead company’s employees at the same factories and offices to do nearly the same jobs as before. Though new senior leaders can change a lot about a company, even following a takeover, companies retain much of their previous identity...I don’t doubt that carmakers suffer from the same “too many chiefs, not enough Indians” problem as many other large enterprises. However, I think you might be surprised at the importance of many jobs that don’t involve actually twisting a wrench on a production line.
I think we're on the same page, but looking at different angles. Yours appears to me to be that the large company needs to remain as is and as a whole, while I think that having it go under and be portioned-out to existing companies like phoenix/zenn to be converted into a different type of personal conveyance manufacturing plant. It is my understanding that there are different plats set up for different vehicles, though I may be wrong. Having them transfer to a wider audience of owners promotes competition, and stops the eggs being in one basket (and oh no the basket went rotten!) problem.

I'm not saying that any one small company should get the whole pow-wow, rather that that huge horde of cheifs stops sitting in one camp and instead goes out to make preparations and do economic war with each other, some of them going to the smaller camps with less horse dung.

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The consensus among industry experts appears to me to be that...there remain applications that they[electric vehicles] simply can’t perform, such as traveling distances longer than a few hundred miles with only brief rest and refueling stops....
This is why different companies make busses and planes. Im shure the ICE experts will still have work for years to come even if the personal motor vehicle industry has a shift.

Any further spinoff (like legalised nuclear batteries) to help the "industry" needs is a seperate issue IMO since GM doesn't do aircraft; that's boeing/magellan, standard aero, RR, WP, etc...

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...I think your vision of wiping out gas engine manufacturing, GAHD, is much less far-fetched than most experts believe.
More a vision of wiping out gas engines as a bulk-use thing. They have their uses! I don't deny that. I just think that there is too much infrastructure dedicated to them.


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We’re prudent, however, to keep in mind that these new battery technologies are not quite proven...
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Yup. Hearing Lockheed Martin sign-on to EEStore got my attention though.
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One kind of job that’s obviously very important is design.
yup, to their credit electric engines need a lot less of that. Quite a few less parts, different timings
Management/clerical is also more important than one might think. Components and subassemblies of most vehicles are made at many places by many different companies. Tracking and managing this can be as critical to successful production as actual hands-on work.
Yyup, if it was all fractured into say 10 smaller corps i could see a lot of job-hires.


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