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Originally Posted by Michael Mooney
Ummmm.... "Reality slows down"??
Say, just for a moment, that you took a flying leap out of the "relativity paradigm" and landed in what most folks *think* is impossible... a cosmic perspective on "Reality.
(Just for a moment... please... you can go back to relative perspective immediately after this little "thought experiment. But *please* "go with it" for this exercise.)
"Seeing" (or even Being!!... a thought experiment, remember!) Cosmos aa a whole... everything everywhere is all happening right now. The speed limit of light only limits what local perspectives can "see," and even the sunlight we see now left the sun over eight minutes ago. So, there is, of course, a time delay in what we can see... the farther away the event/lightsource, the longer the delay.
OK... back to "Reality" with a capital 'R'. Everything everywhere is moving... on all scales from subatomic to universal/cosmic. We all know about these cycles on all scales ('cept maybe the Big Cycle of a possible cyclic cosmos!) Earth spins in "real time*" "one rev a "day" and orbits sun once a "year." Etc., etc... Galaxies spin one rev every so many million "earth years"... etc. (*Real time* in this sense is "absolute* meaning natural cycles that have nothing to do with human (or other intelligent life form) "observation" or the limits of relative perspective.
Are you with me so far??
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Yeah, I am with on this thought problem...
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Originally Posted by Michael Mooney
So... from this "cosmic perspective" what would be the meaning of your phrase, "Reality slows down?" It would lose its meaning outside the paradigm of relative perspective.
So then, what would the concept of gravitational slowing down of time mean? Absolutely nothing! It is just a myopic, relativistic paradigm... as if human perspective and our poor instruments of measurement... (like clocks that slow down under variable gravitational conditions) actually dictate that "Reality slows down!"
Is there anyone here who can see the anthropomorphic absurdity of this?
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You have now gone and concluded the effect you created in your "thought problem".
You can't go and create world in your head and conclude the effect as "proof", "justifcation" or anything of the kind. That is quite bogus!
Now lets say I create "thought problem" example. In my world, Euclid's 5th Postualte
has been relaxed such that the presence of mass or energy density determines the local
curvature of space. A 4-dimensional coordinate system "labeled" "spacetime" can guide
me through this world so that I know where I am. Knowing the velocity I am moving
with respect to an alternate observer, I can compare my clock with his to know whether
there is a difference in passage of time. Viola! I have now just done what you proceeded to
do (in reverse).
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Originally Posted by Michael Mooney
Now, granted, this was presented as a "thought experiment." But then so was the Minkowski/Einstein/relativity *theory* of "spacetime" and in particular "dilated time."
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It is true that Einstein (borrowing from Minkowski) use "thought experiments" to derive
the answer of dilation in time and contraction in space. However, Einstein used that
Experiment to form the groundwork to conclude something outside of the Experiment.
You have used a "thought Experiment" to conclude you answer. Not the same.
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Originally Posted by Michael Mooney
So... the above can be seen as just another thought experiment. It is in fact, the way I have "seen" Reality all my life. ... And It doesn't "slow down" just because our clocks can't keep absolute cosmic time under the stress of various gravitational and other inertial changes "relative to each other."
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I guess you don't use GPS to calculate where you are. The Coordinate system used
as part of GPS takes account of the dilation of time from both GR & SR. The discrepency
may only be a few microseconds. Though that accuracy allows the resolution in distance
to be within 10 M in space.
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Originally Posted by Michael Mooney
Just a little food for thought to sleep on.
Hope it doesn't give anyone nightmares!  |
No nightmares here.
maddog
