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Re: Is the universe infinite?

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Originally Posted by tatwood106 View Post
If there was no time or space before the Big Bang and the entire universe was a singularity then What did the singularity exist in? It had to be somewhere didn't it? If not space then what? If there was no space and time till after the big bang does place or when even apply?
Oh I had just realized that this topic is actually a revival from 2005.

In response to you Tatwood, I suggest the following.


Imagine mankind never developed the ability to see, yet still managed to become quite intelligent socialists. I suppose we would require a low preditor environment to survive, , hah, but that is besides the point.

If we never conceived the idea of visual space, where would we consider anything exists, not to mention the universe.

This is actually a very useful though experiment to 'see' things in a different 'vision'.

We would very unlikely have formulated the idea of a universe, since we would never see any stars or horizons, or anything for that matter. However, given that we had the minds we do now minus our visual perception, it is expected we would still formulate the idea of something existing, what do you think that would be?

Ask yourself, Would it be any less true than the world we have come to "SEE" and "KNOW" as we are now, as visually able humans?

Ask yourself ,How true is visual perception? and does it have any more superiority over a definition of existence?

And furthermore, how true are any of our conceptions that define the universe and existence?

It is likely that things, otherwise known as reality can exist in all places, at all times, and it is our perception that has confined us to assume that it does not, therefore providing us with the very issue your provide here for us in your post.

Reality has truth on more than one level and those truths are not always true for each individual level. Reality has unique 'truths' to each respectful level.

This tells us that reality is both unified and separated at the same time, the choices of which are defined by the observer. It also tells us that reality is extended beyond our perceptions in many ways, and has truths entirely unknown to us.

This means the universe both exists, and does not, depending on the limits and restrictions that an observer places on the potential the universe contains.

In this respect, the universe is over, and beginning, and right now, all at the same time, but the only truth of which is more or less true is held in the observer itself.


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