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[paigetheoracle]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

So a meta-analysis of all the research on the herb (if there is any) will show that the herb is infective when it may be effective in particular situations/disease states.

Belief is the key here in my opnion - see also below

On your workmate with cancer
I had a friend/ work colleague some many years ago who was diagnosed with cancer. She was very disciplined and determined to beat the cancer. The Doc. eventually said " OK see me every 6 months', then every year, the every 2 years, then every three etc-- you get the picture.

Again, the determination not to be beat by the disease

Sometimes i wonder if cancer is an acceptable way of topping yourself?

You don't hold your punches do you? My belief too as with my posts on your Depression thread recently (Little death or mental/ spiritual death i.e. giving up effort and accepting defeat).

i worked with a psychiatrist in a Tuberculosis ward a long time ago as a young psychiatric nurse in training. He said TB was a psychosomatic disease. We all howled him down disbelieving- "But is a bacteria something real that you can kill with anti-biotics- how can it be psychosomatic!?". He pointed out that most people come into contact with the TB bacteria, but rarely get anything more serious than a cold.

Excellent point! This goes back to me saying that it's the attention that the sick get that makes them well, not the medicine i.e. showing you 'care' whether they live or die/ are not well or coping with life.

Most of the patients were alcoholics (it was government policy then to hospitalise alcoholics at state expense until the TB was clear-18 months).
Alcohol can kill slowly or suddenly-your choice. A much more dangerous and deadly drug than heroin- and it kills a 1,000 times more people.

Interesting that alcohol is a 'depressive', not so?

Australian Aborigines have a ritual "curse" for people who have committed very serious crimes ( in their culture). It is called "pointing the bone" because at the end of the ceremony a bone is pointed at the accused. The person usually dies within a week or so. It is a death sentence done totally by belief and suggestion.

Again belief and ostracism: See 'The Four Pillars of Healing by Dr Leo Galland, which in the chapter in 'relationships', states that people live longer and stay healthier in a community that supports them, rather than ignores them or treats them with hostility

The psychiatrist who developed the Transactional Analysis way of analysing communication said people often "scripted" their lives and even their death date. " i will die at 61,71 81 101 etc" Ask around at the office watercooler and see how many have a belief like this. " "I don't want to live without you" etc.

Read the book

Will follow up the suggestions for my colleague but I suspect it might be he's accepted the death wish and is unreachable (suicidal) because of this: Been here before and it's a sad waste of life but not mine to chose