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Re: Consciousness as a function of mental word use

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Originally Posted by HydrogenBond View Post
If you look at dreams, they are often based on the internal visual connections of symbols that can be irrationally connected. If one is aware of a dream, they are conscious without words and or the requirement of language structure. The labeling comes later. This sensory connection far more fundamental to consciousness than words. For example, if I put an apple on the table, one can use any of dozens of words, but everyone will have the same visual. One does not need a word to be conscious of it.
Two things here:

1. I'm not at all clear how one can be aware of a dream and be conscious at the same time. Isn't a dream a subconscious thing? As such, how can one be conscious of a dream?

2. The apple on the table would also be "the same visual" for a fly or an ant. So, in that regard, how do you differentiate human consciousness from that of an ant?

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Language is important to help us transfer the visual image to another person, but is not essential for individual consciousness.
Do you mean individual animal consciousness of individual humans consciousness? The only thing I know of that differentiates the two is a symbolic language.

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For example, I can show you something you never saw before. You can be consciously aware of it, even if you are not be able to put it too words...
Then you must be talking about a consciousness that is not unique to humans. So far as I can tell, human consciousness emerged on the back of a symbolic language. Prior to that our ancestors were no more conscious than another animals, and perhaps much less so.


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