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Re: Origin of the universe: god versus no god

Hi Vetrad,
I feel compassion for your situation, being dragged to church every now and then.
When I visit my mother or brothers, I too, have to trudge along and listen to some person try to make excuses for God. Their attempts to show how science is flawed are so naive that I cringe.

One preacher even spoke of the 'man behind the curtain' analogy, saying that since God created space and time, he is "outside" space and time, and can instantly be anywhere and anywhen.

But he never attempted to deal with the paradoxes you encounter by assuming a God not bounded by time. For example, you pray to God to heal your daughter. Let's say that your daughter gets well a week later.

But when God heard your prayer, he looked up into the future and already knew she was going to get well. In fact, he already knew that he himself would heal her next week. In fact, when he made the world, he looked up and already knew that 4 billion years later you would have a daughter and that she would get sick and that you would pray and that he would kill the germs and she would get better.

So God cannot intervene. If he changed anything, he would have already known he would change things. So actually, nothing changed! Your prayer was meaningless and it all works out the way it was carved in stone to work out. And it really IS carved in stone, because God already and always knew exactly how it was going to work out.

Unless of course, he isn't omnipotent and omniscient. Which means he's not a 'god'. At best he's an engineer. And therefore bound by all the Laws of Nature, and therefore could not possibly have 'created' time or space. What a demotion!!


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