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Originally Posted by Doctordick
It follows that the real issue here is, can we have a philosophical discussion which is rational? That is to say, is there enough left, after we strip out anything which “generates emotional doubts” in the participants, to yield a worth while discussion. My point, with this thread, was merely an attempt to get people to see the difference between “justified beliefs” and “reasonable beliefs”. Let us be “reasonable”! I find very few of the threads on this (or any other forum) to be very “reasonable”.
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I agree!
I have yet to read through the entire article, I will do so, but allow me to indulge in some immeadiate reaction. My personal evaluation of discussions, of any medium, is that the understanding of logic, and reason, is incorrect.
Reasoning, or inference, is based on premises, that are considered to be true, no matter what the short-term consequences may appear to be for the argument. What seems to not be understood by participants is that the premises are not agreed upon, because premises have evolved into complex structures and are unregulated, except in the physical sciences: bio-logical, astro-logical, etc. In those areas scientists have done an exceptionally good job of isolating the logical systems from human ideology, and of course, the ideology of supernatural intervention.
Now, when it gets into more abstract discussion of areas that are "less observed and measured," the problem, seemingly to me, is that ideologies are not isolated and regulated to maintain a standard of uncorrupted logic specific to the foundational premise(s). And, this is the enormous error of Atheists, who contend that they are without religion, which in essence, to those of us who do not believe in the existence of a supernatural dimention, is just an ideology with a complex set of premises (moral) that includes a god, which is just another complex set of premises (logic).
So, although, Atheists do not have a belief in gods, they do however retain an ideology - a philosophical social system (poorly regulated by peer group pressure) of complex premises that guides them to be able to function in a society that is dominated by the theists and their faulty complex logic social system.
And so, discussions, of any sort, beyond the techno-logical standardizations, is erroneous, and eventually leads to the economic (unregulated and compromised social-political ideologies system) crisis we are enduring now.
And, I know what you mean by, "have fun."
