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Originally Posted by Michael
Please read "Stalingrad" it will make you feel sorry for the Germans!
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Really... Germans?
Listen i am not trying to say that killing german soldiers in camps and returning less then 5% is justified, but looking at what happened during the war, Germans did the same thing, capturing and executing armies at a time, coming into towns killing all men and boys, raping all the women and young girls, then setting the town on fire and going on to the next town/vilage/city to do the same thing, not saying that when in 45 Russians were moving to Berlin they didn't do similar things, and not that that was justified either, but i feel as bad for the russian soldiers facing germans in stalingrad, and all the people that were in town during air raids and artillery shellings, during constant back and forth between who controls the city, as i feel about the soldiers that while understanding that they should be retreating, were following their supreme commander's orders, and were forced to stay with ever-so-dwindling supplies...
But if you bring Stalingrad and German soldiers, why not bring Paris ot Leningrad with the people who lived in the cities, where germans that were seiging the city had all the supplies they needed, and people in town (lets pick leningrad, much more familiar with history of my home town) were given:
workers: 200 grams
soldiers in the city (women, children): 125 grams
military and mp officers, firemen, pilots: 300 grams
front line soldiers: 500 grams
of bread, which was made from 1/2 normal bread mix, flour, water, yeast, and 1/2 add ons like saw dust, grass and weeds in the summer, and was hardly edible. (that was it, by the way, there was no other food, in 42 dogs, cats, and rats were gone, and there wasn't a patch of green in the entire city in those summers). Add that to constant bomb threats (Germans carried over 100,000 air raids in the years of the blockade), death all around, so much that it became mundane, add to that the fact that the sewage system was not working, water pumping stations were bombed in the first days, so you had to walk to the rivers to get water, and in January 42, -30C temperatures (recorded for 8 days, and 3 month average of -19C), and only 4% of the pre-war power generated, and all that over for 871 days and suddenly Ann Frank diaries don't seem so bad anymore. Then look at casualties: german side 500,000, russian side 457,500 military, 986,500 civilian. And all of the sudden even Stalingrad doesn't seem so bad (there is also 668 days difference in duration)...
Not a pissing match, but it's not a reason to feel bad for a single group of people, thats all, after all it wasn't the Russians that invited over a million German troops to Stalingrad
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