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[pamela]

Originally Posted by krim

Here's something I was thinking about recently. Part of my family is jewish. I can't stand that side of my family most of the time. They are obnoxious, passive aggressive and generally ignorant of all kinds of logical fallacies.

Family is still family regardles of ethnic and religious background. When you are perfect Krim, go ahead and cast the first stone.

They are obnoxious for example because they seem to feel they have some god given right to stick their nose in other people's personal business when they seem completely incapable of understanding what they see and are too pigheaded to listen when you try to open their mind to ideas other than social norms in their little group. To them, jewish social norms are above debating.

many people are like this, it is not specific to any religion

I personally am about not hiding anything and standing up for things, but at times have found myself not wanting to bother with these snots because they usually just make some dismissive statement when you try to stand up for an idea they are not familiar with. As if THEY know something about it, yet conveniently can't be bothered to share their opinion. As long as they can go hide in their little niche and all agree that outsiders are wrong, they think they don't have to justify their point of view or behavior

Krim, really, you are so self righteous, do you esteem yourself above all others?

When I was young I thought this was just my family, but then I began to notice that almost all Americanized Jewish people I meet are like this (Israelis I have met seem different which is not surprising).

almost all ????? How dare you.....
your opinion is simply that-yours it has no bearing on the thoughts and ideas of the collective sum of all the Jewish people currently residing in the states. Antisemitism will NOT be tolerated here, Krim

What if it is jewish culture combined with human nature that makes them behave in this manner on average? I mean it seems to me it would only take a few elements. Discouraging isolation would strengthen the group mentality... ie tribal morality and the placing of social norms above truth. Discouraging violence or aggression of any kind would leave them with no outlet for their aggressive human nature - thus disrupting the natural balance that occurs when people are straightforward about such feelings

What?????

Instead of confronting someone they had a problem with (eventually resulting in some kind of resolution) they would resort to things like talking about them behind their back... the type of behaviors that multiply whatever enmity is already there. Or bullshitting

hmmm kinda sounds alot like what you are doing right now

Most of the jewish people I have met can talk all kinds of bull. They are like psuedo confrontational in this respect. Lie cheat and steal, because at least these behaviors are not as bad as resorting to violence according to their culture. It doesn't matter if what you say is right or makes any sense... it only matters if it is convincing to the group.

unbelievable, did you actually post that comment? any respect that i may have had previously for you krim, has just greatly diminished. I have many friends, i do not use labels, for the sake of this argument, i will state that they are Jewish. None and i mean none of them, portray the type of narrow minded BS that you are putting forth.I have a tendency to think that your words may bring out the worst in people as they feel the need to refute your selfserving antagonistic attitude

Only if violence wasn't such a taboo, they would go through the same experiences as everyone else. 2 people would fight, both get hurt, realize it was pointless, and then in exhaustion, decide to be fair and open minded towards one another. They would realize that any aggressive behavior would put them back in that same place, so they only be aggressive to people who started it first

you have started a verbal war, exactly what is the difference???

I don't think most jews ever have such an experience and as such, become vindictive. The effects of this cascade down to all kinds of bad behavior. For instance, jews are immature with respect to fear. They fear death too much. This results in things like them not wanting to settle down with one person because it would mean their story would be told... just like if they were to die.

The more i read on the more disgusted i have become. Many people fear death, the Jewish community does not have an exclusive on this.
I wonder who will tell your story? and when all is said and done Krim, will you have learned to love and respect humanity?????

Thus, I come to the conclusion that jewish culture is fundamentally flawed. Perhaps the holocaust was just misplaced emnity against jewish culture. It wasn't right.... But how many jews got up on a soapbox and said "look here, we are decent people! What the heck is your problem? Tell me!" when all these sentiments were building up in germany? They probably did the same thing they always do. Ignore everyone outside of their group and act like they were just animals because they didn't adhere to jewish social norms. And oh my god don't even get me started on my father...

MISPLACED EMNITY!!!!!! congratualtions krim, you have just done the greatest injustice to thousands of people who have since passed on, and your forked tongue continues to spit upon their legacy.
Your father?? straiten up son and fly right, dont you even dare say a word against your father- Shame upon you

don't know if it is a fundamental part of the religion or not. The torah says things like gentile souls are lesser and they are subject to greater punishments than jews. It seems to me the tribal morality starts right there. I have heard jews say things like they must endure such discrimination because they have failed in their duties in some way. IMO if that is the case, it is because they do not teach effective outlets for their aggressive human nature and thus behave in worse ways than everyone else.

Geeze krim, why dont you just go ahead and dissect every religion, ethnic origin, nationality of every person on this planet, as you seem to be above everyone else. And while your at it, why dont you just call yourself god

As far as extended effects of the holocaust are concerned, I think understanding what happened and why would do wonders. Jews fear death too much, and therefore fear their story

You have just given an example of the extended effects of the Holocaust, with your derogatory remarks, hatred and contempt for the Jewish race and your inability to see beyond your own vainglorious view of yourself