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[Tormod]

I'll reply in detail, maybe it makes it easier to show you what I mean.

Originally Posted by Damo2600

Well I agreed that my post is obviously too complicated for the beginner.

Then the topic should be renamed as I proposed.

I used every recess of my brain to comprehend Relativity and it was, as such, impossible.

...and you extended this to include everyone else.

So relativity needs to be stated as a function of spacetime that the logical mind cannot comprehend.

That your logical mind cannot comprehend. Huge difference.

I attempted to explain this to members of the forum who were still obviously having trouble with this.

You are still obviously having trouble with this. Let it go.

Rather than back me up you decided I had failed miserably.

You need to differentiate between your own person and the posts that you make. We have all agreed that your "paper" is not a good paper, and it is not a good introduction to relativity for confused beginners. Why on Earth would we back it up then? No, we (as in myself on behalf of the admins) quickly moved it it into the strange claims forum because someone who had openly stated that she did not understand relativity, had started studying it about a month ago, and did not believe time dilation was real, suddenly began publishing a PAPER on it! *That* is what makes this a strange claim.

If you are in agreeance with me on the fact that Relativity is true but totally illogical then I guess we have no problem.

Stop making requirements as to what people should think and mean. If that is a problem for you then you are in the wrong place.

However I feel that if people decide to state that relativity makes perfect sense then many people are going to continue to have problems with it. Which is evident on this and many other forums.

Whether or not relativity makes perfect sense is not the issue here. That people are having problems with it is because they either have not studied it, or have studied it well enough to have found flaws in it (and not only something they believe to be flaws because their logical minds cannot comprehend it) is a sign that it is difficult. So is quantum physics. In fact, so is a lot of stuff.

If I had a dollar for every person who posted wrong things about relativity I would be very rich.

You all must have gone through the stage of attempting to understand all this and at a much younger age than I did. So you must know the contortions your mind needs to go through to come to an understanding.

No, none of us have the same degree of understanding of any idea or theory. That is why we discuss things. We do not suppose we know everything about anything. But we might know a thing or two about how the scientific method works, how science is communicated, the workings of logic, and a knowledge of the history of science.

If my expertise is crappy then I suggest, if one of you have time, you produce this thread. You could entitle it 'Time to end all misconceptions for all time - Part two'

Again, stop telling us what to do.

I did write many posts stating that Relativity was untrue and that time dilation did not happen and they did not end up in the strange claims forum. When I did state that relativity was true I ended up here (This is where all the cool people end up BTW).
This fact is way stranger than my post.

To you, of course. Like I wrote above, it was a turnabout from you. But the manner of your post did not in any way imply to me that you understood relativity. Nor was it a good tutorial. So it was a strange claim that you suddenly had accepted relativity over night.