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Re: Math: Did we discover or create it?

Obviously, Turtle, counting was amongst the first essential necessities for survival. A British ornithologist discovered that a wild bird he was trying to observe could count to around six, he had difficulty tricking the critter into thinking that he was no longer hiding in a disused hunting shack. Peolple find Z_30 less often useful than N, that's why it's only cranks like you and I, that play with such things.

(Apart from the odd cryptographer of course!)

Virtualmeet, I obviously did not mean to say that it was Giuseppe Peano (1858-1932) that first invented the natural numbers!!!!!! He simply formalized the age-old concept. You seem to have missed my point even more, about what is real and natural vs. some "language" or symbolism that we invent to the purpose of describing it. Not that I would strictly say there are any numbers in nature, there are only things, and quantities of them that we describe usng numbers.


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