[Moontanman]

You still don't have an explanation for why the obsolete CD-ROM format was used to begin with. A flash drive can show exactly the same thing as a CD-ROM and it's smaller, more efficient, more durable and uses less electricity and would be more familiar to a future time traveler than an obsolete format. To a time traveler a flash drive is probably as ancient as a stone tablet is to us or are trying to say the time travelers come from a time close to ours? And by the way I did say the cow was either a dog or a wolf and it was a Roman image, no other people used that same image. Talk about closed time like loops..... What you are saying is (correct me if I'm wrong) that the time travelers went back with what was to them obsolete technology because this guy Pegg found evidence of Said CD-ROMs in the past? If so who took back the original obsolete technology and why? You raise more questions than you answer. I am not the type of person who would dismiss you out of hand but so far you are arguing in a circle.

[Eddy_P]

RE: “You still don't have an explanation for why the obsolete CD-ROM format was used to begin with.”

Well, I actually have explained it to the best of my ability.
It may be that you do not accept my explanations, or the context and reasons for the time travel back-steps allude you at this time.
I have told you nearly everything I know.


RE: “To a time traveler a flash drive is probably as ancient as a stone tablet is to us or are trying to say the time travelers come from a time close to ours?”

You pose your own opinions based upon your own suppositions as questions.
At this point of time I can not comment upon concepts that I have not studied.
It would be amiss of me to comment upon assumptions that currently do not have firm answers.

What I can comment upon are the physical observations when descriptions from ancient texts are compared with the pictures from the Ancients cd-rom.


RE: “What you are saying is (correct me if I'm wrong) that the time travelers went back with what was to them obsolete technology because this guy Pegg found evidence of Said CD-ROMs in the past?”

It seems that this is the conclusion drawn from my studies. As previously said…
“If a different type of computer was taken back to the past each time, then there would not be a consistent trail of clues documented in ancient texts that could be traced back (forward) to a particular computer system.
As Pegg was using the same computer and cd-roms that were documented in ancient texts, it was easy for him to identify the technology being described and the contents of the cd-roms.”

As this is an on-going study, if new information comes to hand, then judgements may be amended.


RE: “You raise more questions than you answer”

Yes. This often happens as I read through Pegg’s work.
Again, this is why I usually only comment upon topics that I have personally studied, evaluated, and confirmed.

[Eddy_P]

Who took back the original obsolete technology and why ?

Based upon ten years of research, this is how I see it.
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1. For some reason, someone, with a set of cd-roms and a computer, went back to the ancient Middle East (ca. 3114BCE), and gave a show & tell.
Reasoning/evidence - Akkadian, Mesopotamian, Babylonian, and Egyptian legends (and hieroglyphs) describe (and depict) contents of the cd-roms.
1.b. Result – ancient religions with multiple gods.

2. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1450BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again).
2. b. Result - one god religions spawned. Egyptian Aten, Hebrew Faith.
Reasoning/evidence - Papyrus of Ani shows, describes, and depicts a computer, compact disk, etc. Genesis chp 1 describes opening sequence of the Ancients cd-rom.

3. Someone (named Gabriel in Ezekiel’s case), then went back again (ca. 600BCE) to say to the locals “whoops, your religions are wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to the priests again). But this time the angel specifically spoke to Daniel (for example) about the 1991 PGW, and when all these ‘mistakes’ will be corrected.
Reasoning/evidence - Ezekiel, Daniel, Lehi texts describe the contents of the cd-rom, and Daniel various segemnts of ‘future history’.
3. b. Result - while augmenting the Hebrew Faith with a new set of texts called prophetic texts, this actually did not ‘birth’ any new religions.

4. Someone, then went back again (ca. 30CE) and told the Roman person Paul “whoops, the Hebrew religion is wrong because it is based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to Paul).
Reasoning/evidence - Paul describes seeing the cd-rom maker’s logo.
4.b. Result - He told his story to others, and their combined stories became the basis for the ‘Jesus Stories’. (The later Roman Christian Religion three centuries later made this into the ‘son of God’ religion that we know about today).

5. Someone, then went back again (ca. 95CE) and told John on Patmos Island Paul “whoops, Paul and the other have got it wrong because the Jesus stories are based upon the encounter Paul had with a time traveller plus the imagery from these cd-roms” (shown AND explained to John).
Result - John’s Book of Revelation is his account of this encounter and includes the modern historical events told to him along with the images he saw from the cd-roms. While augmenting the Jesus Stories with a new prophetic text, this actually did not ‘birth’ a new religion. (But again, the Roman Christian Religion later use the ‘knowledge of the future’ to their advantage to continue to assert an emotional hold over their followers.)

6. Someone (named Gabriel), then went back again (ca. 600CE) and told Mohammed “whoops, the Hebrew and Roman Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him, and known as the Night Journey).
6.b. Result - a brand new religion was birthed.

7. Someone, then went back again (ca. 1811) and visited Smith Snr in America and told him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms” (shown to him),
Reasoning/evidence - Smith Snr tells of seeing the ‘animals in the box’ (ie. the animal icons from the Ancients main menu screen on the monitor).
7.b. Result - Confusion, but supports his son later when a similar story id told to him.

8. Someone (at least two), then went back again (ca. 1827) and visited Smith Jnr in America and him “whoops, the Muslim, Hebrew, Roman Christian and Other Christian religions have got it wrong because they are based upon the images from these cd-roms”.
This time a different set of texts (ancient Hebrew historical texts) were given to Smith, which he translated. But just the compact disks were given with those other texts.
Reasoning/evidence - picture of plastic jewel cases being held by witnesses.
8.b. The contemporary Church stopped Smith’s endeavour, and others later created the new Mormon Church based upon their interpretation that the time travellers were ‘aliens’ combined with the Christian religion..

These are just some of the main Faiths discovered by Pegg as having encounters with time travellers. There are many others, including Nostradamus.

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Yours Faithfully,
Eddy Pengelly
On behalf of PPHC Study Group (Australia)

PS
As you can see, I do not know who the 'someone' is, but the evidence presented by Pegg derives the the above conculusion.

[nutronjon]

I am getting, any idea that is outside of realm of shared knowledge, is taboo and the person who post the idea outside of the shared knowledge is attacked, without logical argument. You all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts?

Eddy_P, you are using a lot of jargon and this excludes everyone not familiar with the jargon you are using. Can you pick one point to discuss, and state this one point without jargon? Or list all ten in simple English. I went to the site and I am not spending my valuable time trying to figure out where to find the information about the 10 points.

Personally I think Jung and Joseph Campbell said things that could help us understand what appears to be a phenomenia of time travel. Also there is the idea that time is a dimension, and not linear as it appears to us. I think we can use science and physchology to discuss your subject, but the form in which you present your arguement needs to be more user friendly.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

IYou all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts?

Please stop hijacking threads, nutronjon.

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by nutronjon

I am getting, any idea that is outside of realm of shared knowledge, is taboo and the person who post the idea outside of the shared knowledge is attacked, without logical argument. You all know a lot about science, but memorizing facts is the whole of thinking. Good thinking is a matter of processing thought. How is this different from the priest of the church known for repressing the development of thoughts?

Nutron, please read the post entitled "science is closed-minded". It deals with this subject precisely.

Eddy's arguments are not new. If you'd like, you can do a search and see other threads where we have debated him with logic and reason in the past. I've looked at the evidence presented and do not find it to be conclusive. When confronted with opposition to his evidence, Eddy will usually say something like: "This is what I know from Pegg's research". Not a single person has been convinced by his arguments. Do you really want to be the first?

[Eddy_P]

Some results so far

Whether pictures match ancient descriptions as a percentage, where
0-30 is NO,
>30-50 is probably not,
>50-75 is MAYBE,
>75-85 is probably, and
>85 to 100 is YES.

Results from 12 Evaluation Sessions
nil: 0 - 30
2 : >30 - 50
4 : >50 - 75
4 : >75 - 85
2 : >85 - 100
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12 in total

Average is 67.71 percent, which means it is more than a coincidence.

For these figures to actually be relevant, we need another series of evaluations by at least a 100 people to provide a better overall summary of opinions.

Can you help ? Can you spare the time to complete the Evaluation Session ?

Evaluating 10 Ancient Texts that Pegg says describe Modern Technology

[Eddy_P]

Some people seem to be not understanding or are missing the point of this evaluation session.

HISTORY:
1. Ronald Pegg made an observation regarding an ancient text and modern cd-rom pictures.
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2. Ronald Pegg investigated 20 more ancient texts, and made associated observations regarding those ancient texts and pictures from a modern cd-rom.
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3. He proposed an hypothesis - “The documented accounts in certain ancient texts known as prophetic 'dreams' or 'visions' are about the contents and pictures from the 1995 Ancient Civilizations of the Mediterranean multi-media cd-rom”.
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4. He asserted a Conclusion based upon his observations and investigations - “This is Evidence of Time Travel”.
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5. He established a general Theory - “Certain noted Angels giving 'visions of the future' who were documented in the sacred texts of the Hebrew, Christian, Muslim, and Mormon faiths (and others) - were not of a divine origin...as they were actually human chrononauts taking back warning messages concerning false religions, details of certain historical and astronomical events, and a chronology regarding a future war. Those technological time travellers were misunderstood and perceived as 'Angels'”.
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This session is NOT evaluating points 3 & 4 & 5. These may be discussed in later sessions.
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This session IS evaluating the validity of Pegg’s original OBSERVATIONS (points 1 & 2) by asking “Do the descriptions in ancient texts match to the pictures seen on a modern cd-rom.
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To do this I am asking you to assist with the evaluation process by testing, with a ‘verse by verse’ examination, ten texts that Pegg said contains proof. LINK to Evaluation Session

[freeztar]

As there is no way to empirically test this, this is not science. It is wild conjecture, nothing more.