[Thunderbird]

New word for a loud fart...Tunguska...If its wet and loud its a Krakatoa.

[alexander]

Krakatoa

you have to remind me of that

you see, that one wasnt intentional, we were just looking of a way to get rid of the rest of that can of beans.... we didn't know they were THAT explosive..... oopsie

[LaurieAG]

Hi Moontanman,

Originally Posted by Moontanman

AG, as far as I know the only metal that have ever been found in reasonably mine able form from a meteor are iron and nickle. Gold needs geological and biological processes to concentrate into visible nuggets and mine able deposits.

I don't doubt that gold is refined in geological or biological processes all I am saying is that anything metallic that hits with enough force to start volcanic activity will start the process i.e. like a boil.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I have read that a star fell from the sky on the eve a great Roman battle and the Roman leader took this as a sign that the Christian God was on his side and after winning the battle he proclaimed Christianity as the state religion of Rome. There is a small crater in the spot where the star was supposed to have fallen. Whether or not the crater is of meteoric origin is debatable.

That's probably the one I was referring to. Virgils work was a praise piece for the emperor (Augustus in 29BC) so was in the pre christian era. Hmm, similar to Saint Patricks light shining over the land.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Except for the people who see UFO's of course!

Don't forget the ones who were in the Heavens Gate cult.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

No doubt most if not all meteors would have been seen as signs from God.

And were probably recorded in the religious records or incorporated in the myths and legends over time. That's exactly what I am talking about.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by location of the return being the Atlantic ocean moving toward the USA

If you follow the progressions of the foundation of the major religions (from Buddhism to Christianity to Islam) you will see that they sweep from east to west across our planet in what appears to be a chronological order.

BTW, don't forget about the nuclear sized blast that occurred over the mediterranean nearly 10 years ago. Back then they started recording them as there could be a possibility that some national leaders would take the explosions as agressive actions from their enemies.

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Since we are talking about the Tunguska blast what does any one think of the possibility of a repeat on June 30? Is it higher every year on that date or every few years or is that date just a coincidence? If I remember correctly the blast was connected with a belt of meteor or comet debris.

At 7:17 am?

If the comet/meteor had a 100 year cycle (exactly) it might be possible.

[LaurieAG]

Originally Posted by alexander

Hey, i figured i should make up my own crazy tunguska story, so many people have seemed to, i thought i should join the club.... besides tunguska being a big fart sounded like something funny to say

Hi Alexander,

So you read the New Scientist article too. Gas was one of the alternative theories but I'll have to correct you.

Tunguska might be the biggest ignited fart in our worlds history.

[Moontanman]

Hi Moontanman,



I don't doubt that gold is refined in geological or biological processes all I am saying is that anything metallic that hits with enough force to start volcanic activity will start the process i.e. like a boil.

I don't think that's the type of processes that bring gold around to the surface in it's concentrated form but that is really the stuff of another thread.

That's probably the one I was referring to. Virgils work was a praise piece for the emperor (Augustus in 29BC) so was in the pre christian era. Hmm, similar to Saint Patricks light shining over the land.

I wonder how any other important things in history were decided by random events that had no real basis in the reality of the situation.

Don't forget the ones who were in the Heavens Gate cult.



And were probably recorded in the religious records or incorporated in the myths and legends over time. That's exactly what I am talking about.

While I'm sure this is true, I wonder how the idea that the sky was a fixed perfect place with no change at all and the powers that be who refused to believe that rocks fell from the sky and how reports of meteors were usually scoffed at by those powers but then they would turn around and proclaim these lights in the sky to be signs from god. It seems a little bit contradictory to me not to mention self serving. A quote from Thomas Jefferson seems in order here "I would rather believe that a Yankee professor would lie than to believe that rocks could fall from the sky" or something like that

If you follow the progressions of the foundation of the major religions (from Buddhism to Christianity to Islam) you will see that they sweep from east to west across our planet in what appears to be a chronological order.

I see what you mean but would the meteors always be in the west to be followed?

BTW, don't forget about the nuclear sized blast that occurred over the mediterranean nearly 10 years ago. Back then they started recording them as there could be a possibility that some national leaders would take the explosions as agressive actions from their enemies.

That was over the Indian ocean not the Mediterranean but if had been just a few minutes later it would have been over the battle ground of the first gulf war and might have resulted in a nuclear strike by the US.

[Moontanman]

[quote=LaurieAG;226328]

Originally Posted by LaurieAG

At 7:17 am?

If the comet/meteor had a 100 year cycle (exactly) it might be possible.

Some possibilities for the tunguska event.

Tunguska event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Comet Encke - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meteor shower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Beta Taurids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[LaurieAG]

Hi Moontanman,

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I wonder how any other important things in history were decided by random events that had no real basis in the reality of the situation.

By the looks of things quite a lot. The Mesopotamia was one of the first civilisation areas that recorded astrological events and rejected the beliefs about dire omens from comets, meteorites and eclipses when they realised that they were cyclical and repeated. Considering that most, if not all, of the reasons for invading Mesopotamia recently were in the realms of fantasy, maybe it this decision was made on a similar basis (nothing would surprise me).

Originally Posted by Moontanman

While I'm sure this is true, I wonder how the idea that the sky was a fixed perfect place with no change at all and the powers that be who refused to believe that rocks fell from the sky and how reports of meteors were usually scoffed at by those powers but then they would turn around and proclaim these lights in the sky to be signs from god. It seems a little bit contradictory to me not to mention self serving. A quote from Thomas Jefferson seems in order here "I would rather believe that a Yankee professor would lie than to believe that rocks could fall from the sky" or something like that

Wasn't it Caesar (Julius) who recorded that the Celts were more afraid of the skies falling in than they were of the Roman legions?

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I see what you mean but would the meteors always be in the west to be followed?

The Tunguska article (New Scientist) described the trajectory as being from the North West although their diagram shows it coming in from the South East (i.e. like wind direction, where it comes from not goes to).

They come from different directions but seem to fall along the same line for the same religions (Buddhists just love those big rocks for their carving). I saw a cable show about widespread meteorite falls in south America and how they were mined by the people of the time. That would have to be much earlier than 10K years, possibly allowing a 5K year cycle. The Mayans have some interesting ideas about timings and 2012, but that's another thread.

Originally Posted by Moontanman

That was over the Indian ocean not the Mediterranean but if had been just a few minutes later it would have been over the battle ground of the first gulf war and might have resulted in a nuclear strike by the US.

That would have been lucky for the Mesopotamians.

I think (Dean) Jonathon Swift wrote about a similar thing in 'Gullivers Travels', or was that in SF (about their enemy dropping huge rocks on them from the sky, and both sides working out how to retaliate)? If you saw the latest US version of the book (mini series with Ted Danson, close to the original) you'll note that they used the Irish Rock of Cashel (+ its medieval church/fortress) as the flying rock that housed the scientists. If, like me, you've seen the 'Monkey Magic' series you probably find something similar to the visitations of the flying god heads.

There are also other objects that our ancient ancestors left for us that may point to observations of celestial events. They are series of stone ring forts (Cashels) that lie in straight lines. There are two sets of these on the west coast of Ireland. One set of four is in line with a place called Silvermines in Tipperary where the last open cut deposit was removed in the 1950's from halfway up a mountain (Mother mountain or MaherSleive). Follow the line on a map (Mercator) and it appears to go straight through most of what we regard as the cities that founded Western Civilisation as we know it. The other set seems to coincide with the Mt Saint Patrick/Gotland/Tunguska path.

There's still a lot of sifting the wheat from the chaff to do, hopefully somebody without a vested religious interest will do a serious investigation on the matter.

[alexander]

Originally Posted by Laurie

Tunguska might be the biggest ignited fart in our worlds history

Regular farts for our race are about what you measure as 600 degrees C. Mega farts average at 1200, ultra farts at 1600, giga farts are totally different, they average out at a power of the product of the three and vary greatly (theory still stands)

oh i have a couple of comments (for real) on a couple of things discussed above:

Originally Posted by Laurie

I think it created a lake in solid rock

We all know that no extraterrestrial object would create a lake in rock, perhaps a deep depression, but the sheer heat of the object, be it even a comet, would evaporate any traces of water before the steam hits the ground an extreme rate of speed. So to be really technical, it would have created a depression that was later filled with water

Timing, no, objects falling on the ground are not driven by some sort of a special period, there are probably hundreds of objects that come in close to the earth, in a prologued orbit that take hundreds if not thousands of years, but unless they have the same orbit, no objects would periodically fall to the ground, timing thus should be purely consequential.

As far as i know, and there have been a few expeditions to tunguska region, no meteorological debris has ever been found, problem being that this is such a remote region of the planet, staying there for more then a month, or a couple of months, is almost equatable to suicide, if you are not eaten alive by the swarms of mosquitoes, you will get frozen by the harsh winter, and winter is not ideal time to do geological work anyhow...

You know, more and more i wonder if it was a comet that never made contact with the ground, just a load of superheated steam hitting the ground like a supermassive down draft, perhaps at an angle, in an explosive-fashion... Accounts do recall seeing a bright glow in the skies, and then lots and lots of dust covering the sky.... hmmm... i like to ponder about these things

[Moontanman]

Originally Posted by alexander

Timing, no, objects falling on the ground are not driven by some sort of a special period, there are probably hundreds of objects that come in close to the earth, in a prologued orbit that take hundreds if not thousands of years, but unless they have the same orbit, no objects would periodically fall to the ground, timing thus should be purely consequential.

The links I provided showed the periodical link with a yearly meteor shower. Lots of small impacts have been shown to be a part of periodical meteor shower. In every meteor shower there small and large meteors, some are more uniform than others but I think the idea of periodical displays and falls of rocks is a given. The only thing unknown is when does the earth pass through the most dense part of the meteor shower.