Special Relativity Paradox

[HydrogenBond]

Special relativity has three relationships one for time, distance and mass. The mass aspect is not often included but can resolve the paradox because it allows an energy balance.

What we have is the solar system normalized to zero energy. We add net energy to the moving reference. We don't add it to the earth or sun. GR distortions in space-time are due to mass. A similar affect occurs with SR with the increase in relativistic mass creating real changes in space-time for that reference. The moving reference experiences a real affect that alters its time in proportion to its energy/relativistic mass. The rest of the universe sees no change in itself since we didn't add enough energy for relativistic mass.

Say the time dilation is one hour. My stomach has always worked like a clock that grumbles at 12 noon for lunch. Because of the time dilation of my body, my stomach will now grumble at 1 PM earth time. If I look at my own clock it says 12 noon, right on schedule. But the earth clock appears to be running faster. If I go into isolation for now on my stomach will grumble at 1PM earth time because my entire system has been time dilated 1 hour because of that experience where I had my relativistic mass increased.

[arkain101]

Right.

One thing I mentioned before in one of these kinds of posts is that, if the earth clock speeds up, then so would the rotation of the earth, and the actions upon its surface. ie. Trucks driving around at 300mph which would appear to break the laws of physics.

So according to the guy in space, earth is moving faster in time and/or lost mass.


I believe the response I got is that the earth will not rotate faster and orbit the sun faster relative to the space traveling guy. This confused me.

Likewise, the man in space is observed to move slower and have more mass.

[HydrogenBond]

One way to look at it is time dilation is similar to a deep freeze for time. We chill or freeze food to make it last longer. We need to add energy as velocity to make this SR time chiller or freezer. If I put you in liquid nitrogen for one hour, and then thawed you, your biological clock will be one hour slower due to time preservation. The room is still aging at the same rate due to lack of time preservation. When you thaw it looks like the room sped up to the future. This is time dilation disorientation. The reality is you were in a time freezer for one hour, due to energy. The rest of the room did not have this energy and maintained normal time.

[xersan]

Originally Posted by arkain101

I believe this is an accurate expression of a paradox based on a specific conception of time. That is, "Time: Something a clock measures".

Either way. Is this paradox correct, and if so, is it solvable?

Your performing will be moved to "strange claims"

You are not allowed to say against SR. You will be respected, if you express admiration, adoration.

Why don't you perceive the impressive "time-travel" like others? If you want to find the innocent reality, you must use the light of science for only confirming the scientific idols and for limited areas. The science must serve for our psychic ergonomics. The science must use the dogmatic blinkers, if it wants to advance.

Illusionists want the audiences are be facile/compliant. You are not compliant. And we will not examine your claims. We are closed for oppositions and new ideas. We like mystic fictions and we want to protect them for our psychic ergonomics. You would be lonely with your sharp-wit.

Human does not want to perceive and accept the things which he doesn't like; he is very successful at this way. We never allow to think about like yours claims; because we don't like. We like mystic submissions by scientific costume.

If you want to share your scientific ideas about SR, you must find a real scientific kitchen. It is impossible to share with blinkered brains today. Perhaps, after a 100 years too. You are at a position like Galileo (We have the powerful proofs about the sun turns around the earth and we see it clearly; even we never hear you).

NOTE: If you insist on sharing you must choose the member who knows the theory perfectly (like Einstein) . You need for discussing a staff or academician from the kitchen of science. Here we are on the table only to eat on the dish. We may kick the ball to ouside. Please never say to us like "The earth turns around the sun". We have no paradox. We have resistances for these alternative ideas. We are decide to not examine your claims.

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[arkain101]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

One way to look at it is time dilation is similar to a deep freeze for time. We chill or freeze food to make it last longer. We need to add energy as velocity to make this SR time chiller or freezer. If I put you in liquid nitrogen for one hour, and then thawed you, your biological clock will be one hour slower due to time preservation. The room is still aging at the same rate due to lack of time preservation. When you thaw it looks like the room sped up to the future. This is time dilation disorientation. The reality is you were in a time freezer for one hour, due to energy. The rest of the room did not have this energy and maintained normal time.

I understand the analogy you are trying to convey, however, as you said it is "one way" to look at time dilation (SR Theory).

The way I am looking at SR theory is through mathematical representation, and it appears that no matter what way I look at it, some kind of an issue surfaces.

I recently started to put together a clear and concise set of examples that should demonstrate the issues I have. My intentions are not to try and disprove SR, it may be that there is an explaination that exists that I have not been exposed to.

xersan:
Your performing will be moved to "strange claims"

You are not allowed to say against SR. You will be respected, if you express admiration, adoration.

This was a bit difficult to read and understand. However, I think I do understand your point. That is, at times it can be difficult to have discussion about SR.

[arkain101]

I believe I ended up answering my own question some time ago, and thought I would sum it up to kind of conclude this threads purpose.

I use a different example and shorten it up.

We have two persons. One on earth. One in a ship (that is about to go on a high speed return trip journey through the cosmos).

The trip is expected to take 4 years. Each person is planning on bouncing a ball once every year (keep in mind: prior to the trip using the concept of time according to being on earth).

-The person take off in the ship, and observed from the earth the person on the ship is only observed to bounce the ball twice.

-Observed from the ship; the person on the earth bounces the ball 4 times.

So why did the plan go astray?

When the person on the ship started to reach relativistic speeds he realized the trip took a lot less time than expected and it was only possible to bounce the ball twice according to his onboard clocks and timers.

Simple. Correct?

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by arkain101

When the person on the ship started to reach relativistic speeds he realized the trip took a lot less time than expected and it was only possible to bounce the ball twice according to his onboard clocks and timers.

Simple. Correct?

That’s a pretty good summary of what the person on the ship experiences.

Another way to put it is that, when the person on the ship started to reach relativistic speeds, he realized the trip was a lot shorter distance than it was when he started. For instance, if he and everybody else measured the distance from Earth to his turnaround point – say using a sensitive parallax optical rangefinder – as 1 lightyear, and the ship quickly accelerates to 0.5 c, upon reaching that speed, the person on the ship using the same rangefinder would measure the distance as lightyears. This length contraction occurs only in the direction of travel: formerly circular-appearing objects, such as the disks of planets and stars, would appear elliptical.