The Dominium model by Hasanuddin

[Mr E]

Moderation note: this post was moved from “Origin of the Universe,,,,Bang or no Bang” because it is not about the original thread’s subject of whether there was a Big Bang or not, but an alternative theory explaining the Big Bang.

Hi All,

Just to throw a curve ball, have you heard of the most recently advanced model for the birth of the Universe? For the sciencey types check out the articles at The Dominium

[freeztar]

It's an interesting read, but it's all speculation at this point. I'm not sure I buy the reasoning for why detectors have not found positrons in the solar wind. It's my understanding that the EM force between a positron and an electron would cause them to annihilate, which could be detected. Also, wasn't it shown with the Eötvös experiments that matter and antimatter are affected the same by gravity? Those seem to be pretty big holes in the theory if I'm understanding everything correctly.

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by freeztar

I'm not sure I buy the reasoning for why detectors have not found positrons in the solar wind. It's my understanding that the EM force between a positron and an electron would cause them to annihilate, which could be detected.

I think you’re correct, freeztar. The attractive magnetic force between antiparticles follows the same force law as the suggested repulsive antigravitational force, but has about times the relative strength (it doesn’t much matter whether we’re talking about electron/positron or proton/antiproton pairs, as the ratio of mass of proton to electron is a much smaller about 1836).

In addition to these theoretical reasons, particle-antiparticle collisions are very commonly observed in particle accelerators. I don’t see how hypothetical antiparticles in the solar wind could behave much differently.

Originally Posted by freeztar

Also, wasn't it shown with the Eötvös experiments that matter and antimatter are affected the same by gravity?

“The antimatter gravity debate” section of the wikipedia article “Gravitational_interaction_of_antimatter” appears to have a good synopsis of this question. To summarize that synopsis, arguments that the Eötvös experiment proves that antimatter and matter are effected by gravity in the same way are inconclusive.

I’m hopeful that, CERN having be able to produce magenetically neutral, cold antihydrogen for several years, some of this very rare stuff will eventually be used to perform a straightforward test of the effect of gravity on antimatter: just dropping it in a vacuum chamber, and observing whether it annihilates with matter at the top or bottom wall of the chamber. Such an experiment would conclusively and compellingly answer this very old question, either supporting or entirely negating alternative theories like this thread’s “dominium model”.

Following references from the wikipedia link above, I find papers speculating about the key features of dominium model at least as early as 1979. I think the relative rarity of such speculation among knowledgably cosmologists, and a lack or urgency to perform the above mentioned antihydrogen experiment, are due to nearly all of them being nearly certain that antimatter doesn’t exhibit antigravity.

Among the arguments against antimatter antigravity presented in the wikipedia article above, I find this one neat and compelling: since the force of gravity between particles that are not their own antiparticles (eg: protons) and those that are (eg: photons) is always attractive, if the gravity between particles and antiparticles is repulsive, would photons be attracted or repelled by antimatter? If so, why?

[Mr E]

Hmm,

I'm not sure where to begin. I thought the model and the concepts brought up in the articles by Hasanuddin were interesting also. Actually, I've been following a debate that he's been having with some intense folks on a different forum. His arguments are pretty convincing. Now I feel kind'a bad bringing it up, because it feels like we're talking behind someone's back. I wonder if he'd answer himself if I told him about this discussion? There's only one way to find out.

[Hasanuddin]

Hello Folks and thank you Mr E for the invitation,

My name is Hasanuddin and I am the author of the Dominium model. Although I’m starting to feel a little stretched, I am impressed by the caliber of the comments that have hit this thread.

I’m actually glad to hear that others are inspired to talk about the model I am advancing, I only wish Mr E had tried his hand at defending it. Though no concrete arguments have been levied against the new model; no data has been shown to be anomalous to its assertions; and multiple previously unexplainable verifiable phenomena are both predicted and explained by the new model … only when people other than myself start defending it can it be considered matured. (I know, I know, the claims of the last sentence might seem a bit premature to this thread… but give me time and I will supply the justifications.)

I will respond to freeztar and CraigD separately and in a moment. Please wait just a moment or two.

[Hasanuddin]

Dear freeztar,

I have several points to make. First, I’m wondering if you read the thread at the above link starting with thread #3 or thread #1? No offense; I am serious, that site was poorly designed. If you read thread #3 first, then I totally understand your confusion regarding the solar wind. In threads #1&#2, it is firmly established that gravitational stability is the primary driver of all systems at absolute chaos, i.e., particles of mixed charge and mixed antimatter/matter. Because of gravitational repulsion self-assembly will occur segregating regions into the different matter types (regions of matter vs. regions of antimatter.) Once primary stability/sorting has been achieved then gravity loses its prominence and secondary and tertiary forms of stability can be sought. For the solar wind, gravitational stability was achieved long before reaching the Earth. Therefore, there is no chance that the positrons driving the solar wind will mix with the electrons and matter-based ions being driven. Also, because gravitational affects space-time at very large distances, the positron drivers will be deflected away from large matter-based satellites long before they are even close. Therefore, there is no chance that WIND or SWEPAM could ever detect these positrons, which they haven’t.

Actually, the absence of positrons from the titer of collected particles from the Sun is, in fact, a hugely interesting statistic. We know that the Sun’s fusion is a giant positron generator, we “believe” the solar wind is just solar material randomly scooped of the surface by “the vacuum of space” (though no-one has every provided a concrete mechanism how this happens.) So why haven’t we found positrons in the solar wind?? That is a really big question. After all these years of monitoring, why none?

As far as these “Eotvos Experiments,” I’d really like to see a much better source than Wikipedia. That site is cool for finding the highest mountain in Peru, but when it comes to things that people are passionate about (scientific theory, the Holocaust & other massacres, and politics) that site seems to be too easily manipulated for propaganda purposes. According to Holcheiter/Charlton “Ultra low energy antihydrogen” (1999) Rep Prog Physwe don’t know of the gravitational interactions between matter and antimatter because of the masking effects imparted by the very strong electric and magnetic fields used to contain and manipulate antimatter. This was further backed up by Bromly, Lima, Laricchia “On the XIIIth international workshop on low-energy e+ and Ps physics” (2006) J.of Physics Conference Series Sorry, but please tell me what journal Eotvos is in; or if its in Arxiv queue. As far as I know there is no conclusive study one way or another.

[Hasanuddin]

Last but not least, to reply to CraigD

You say:

particle-antiparticle collisions are very commonly observed in particle accelerators. I don’t see how hypothetical antiparticles in the solar wind could behave much differently.

Please pause. Can you not see that one case is artificial and one case is natural? Accelerators are designed to focus the beams to collide. Whereas in the case of the solar wind, we are dealing with a natural system where particles came move wherever. I do not see how these two things can be considered comparible.

Eotvos revisited—I’m glad to see that you read this study as inconclusive.

I agree with you for the need for a test to conclusively find the gravitational relationship between matter and antimatter—I agree, that is the only rational way to proceed forward in science, with evidence. …And then I am dismayed by the next paragraph justifying the lack of exploration to determine the exact nature of gravitational interaction between matter and antimatter, where you say, “nearly all (scientists) being nearly certain that antimatter doesn’t exhibit antigravity.” Certainty w/out proof is not a scientific path. I know it’s one that many people take, but it is not warranted when studying the unknown. I’ll give you a bunch of good reasons why this fundamental question needs to be categorically answered and no longer glossed over: the evidentiary anomalies, for example, the solar wind, antimatter cloud surrounding the galactic center, the supermassive black-hole at the galactic center, apparent “absence” of all antimatter, increasing expansion, uniform mass distribution, flat event horizon, and on, and on. Scientists who are “certain” that they are on the correct foundational footings are ignoring the annoying contradictions posed by the evidentiary anomalies. None of these phenomena are easily answered w/out a separate theory w/ a separate set of assumptions of their own, e.g, the vacuum of space argument (w/out a mechanism) for the solar wind. If the current assumptions were perfect, we should not have so many anomalies. The Dominium model provides answers for all of these and more with only one hypothetical premise: gravitational repulsion.

PS: You are right about these fundamentals of the Dominium being around since 1979 (though I have no idea who to give attribution, I lost my notes in a move and haven’t been able to find the original articles again in the library…please tell me who they were, if you know…I have felt awful that they haven’t been given credit.) This model started off as a letter to an MIT acquaintance who, to my surprise & gall, had never heard of them (his “specialty” is the inflection point in Hubble Expansion.) I used the deductive method in that letter, and that analysis expanded rapidly into the Dominium model.

In answer to the last point you brought up, as far as the probable relationship between photons and antimatter, the answer I would give is attraction:
1: We know that photons are the antiparticles of themselves; we know photons are attracted to matter; therefore, protons would also be attracted to antimatter because being a “between-species” they have as much in common with matter as they do with antimatter, therefore would be influenced similarly.
2: Both matter and antimatter warp space-time, photons are attracted to things that warp space-time, therefore, photons will be attracted to antimatter.
3: Finally, one of the implications deep w/in the Dominium model is that before the first light of CMB, micro black-holes (MBH) were created inside of embryonic galaxies of an opposite type the the galaxy itself. So, for the Milky Way, the type of MBH produced would have been antimatter-based (AMBH). Because of asymmetric geometries most of the AMBH from our galaxy would have been purged, as would have been the case for MMBH produced in mirror galaxies based on antimatter. However, both types of material would have been purged at a time after considerable expansion had already taken place. Both types, the model asserts, are still on-route to the nearest like-type galaxy, which means that today they are all located somewhere between galaxies. This perfectly matches the gravitational readings of what has been referred to as "dark matter." Because these readings are based on objects attracting photons gravitationally, therefore this observation and the Dominium assertion are consistent with the notion that photons are attracted to gravitational influences of antimatter.

[Hasanuddin]

Well, I was expecting more of a debate. Let me see if I can give fuel for a debate. Unless anyone wishes to stop and object to a move that I make, for the next couple days I will slowly unfold the new model on this forum. The methodology is simple formal deduction. Premises will be identified that are 100% categorically true, and from these conclusions will be drawn that necessarily follow and are therefore, 100% correct (this is the fundamental understanding of the deductive process.)

Let's begin:

Move #1:

A: The Big Bang was the moment in time when All particles of the Universe were at their absolute closest to each other

B: Gravitational relationships are at an inverse square relation between force and distance

Therefore if matter and antimatter repel, then affects/effect would strongest during the beginning moments of the Big Bang.

Supporting evidence behind the premises:
1. Electric charge (the other “big,” known, and understood field force) exponentially increases in magnitude when place at decreasing distances.

2. Initial stages of the Big Bang coincides with the time when distances between particles were closest together

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Hasanuddin

Well, I was expecting more of a debate.

I haven't forgot about this thread. I, personally, not having very much formal training in theoretical physics, need a good bit of time to dig into this, research, and post a reasonable response/objection. I'll try to form a response to your response to me above within the next day or two, if time permits.

FWIW, your last post seems completely reasonable to me.

[belovelife]

interesting.....
need to digest