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Old 08-17-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant or bar

If you happen to live in a state where carrying a concealed weapon is legal if you are licensed and registered to do so, should you be able to carry a concealed weapon into a restaurant or bar?


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I don't think conceal permits should be valid for incidents occurring while the carrier is intoxicated. Why can't lawmakers cut to the chase?

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I am of the opinion that a person licensed to carry a concealed weapon should be able to carry it anywhere. Many of the exceptions to the law are nothing but end run attempts by the anti gun lobby to restrict the person who carries a gun to the point where is become impossible to carry a gun and go anywhere. Cases of a registered gun being used to commit a crime are almost non existent. Having said that if there was a place where carrying a gun could be a bad idea a bar would have to be it. None the less if you are licensed to conceal carry you are aware of the dangers involved (a license to conceal carry is not like a fishing license you can buy at Wal-mart) conceal carry permits have a huge responsibility attached and if you can get one you are by definition taking that responsibility seriously. I can't see restricting the person who has that permit by telling them where they can and cannot carry their fire arms.


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I agree, I am also of that opinion. And I think the reason that lawmakers can't 'cut to the chase' is because they have ulterior motives. If a person has a permit, and the law says intoxicated incidences are unexceptable, then the carrier will know that and be extra-hesitant during those circumstances. Well, except I drink at home so I guess I just screwed myself.


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Re: Carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant or bar

We're licensed to drive cars pretty much anywhere, but not when alcohol is involved. Why would a gun be any different than a car in this regard?

The simple fact is that we KNOW alcohol reduces inhibitions, but those same inhibitions are precisely what prevents us from acting poorly with weapons. If you remove the inhibitions, you increase the risk to an necessary degree.

Isn't a law prohibiting firearms around alcohol a law which just makes good sense, and is the mature/sensible thing to do?
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It doesn't appear to be a good idea in Tennessee.



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Obviously being drunk and armed is a bad idea, but we can drive to and from a bar and or a restaurant as long as we are not drunk, going to a bar or restaurant doesn't make you drunk. I honestly don't see the people who have committed to concealed carry doing a lot of drunken gun waving. If you are indeed caught drunk with your gun then I can see you loosing your permit.


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Re: Carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant or bar

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going to a bar or restaurant doesn't make you drunk.
That's a very fair point, and I have to concede that you've demolished my point above. We have some rather liberal concealed weapons laws here in Texas, and the way it's generally handled by letting the establishment decide for themselves. So, while all government buildings prohibit entry of people with weapons (courts, DMV, post office, etc.), the establishment (store, restaurant, bar, etc.) can choose for themselves whether or not to allow it (however, I must let you know, I still find guns in bars to be a bad idea... restaurants not so much).

So, anyway... these establishments post a clear and noticeable sign at the entry informing entrants whether or not firearms are permitted. For example, at my work there are such signs saying firearms are not allowed. Liquor stores have those same signs, as do many other establishments.

I suppose we could leave it up to the restaurant or bar to decide for themselves. If they don't want their customers bringing firearms on the premises, they post a sign outside. Violators will be prosecuted if caught.

Would you be cool with that approach? Instead of it being decided at the government level and writing it into law, I presume there would be no challenge if we allowed the establishment to make the decision for themselves, and if a gun carrier didn't like it they could always go elsewhere.

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Re: Carrying a concealed weapon into a restaurant or bar

I'd go with that. There must be conspicuous disclosure though (like those fire permits) so customers could make informed decisions. [/tongue]

No seriously, I think that's fair.


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But it is also about making the laws as simple as possible, I agree that going to a bar/restaurant does not make you drunk, but the risk to get it there is higher. So by banning guns from bar/restaurants you just eliminate the risk in the easiest way. No?


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