What Americans, USAans, yanks, beleive.

[Zythryn]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

I assure you that that figure is inaccurate...in my entire life I've never known a person (internet not included) that didn't own or been in a house where there wasn't at least a rifle for hunting . (Not everyone I know hunts though so some of the rifles are simply belonged to a relative that passed it down to them)

Likewise, I know of one person (unless you count BB guns) who owns a gun. None of my living relatives or friends own a gun (with the single exception).

Now, I can understand not believing a certain statistic and wanting a source, but declaring that you KNOW that a statistic is inaccurate because of anecdotal evidence opens up the discussion to other peoples anecdotal evidence which leads us in circles.
It is true that you KNOW that is innacurate among the people you know. But not necessarily for the entire USA population.

[Zythryn]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

Seriously though more guns equals a safer society.

Must... Not.... go there....
Must .. Not take ... thread... off ... topic....
Must RESIST

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

I assure you that that figure is inaccurate...in my entire life I've never known a person (internet not included) that didn't own or been in a house where there wasn't at least a rifle for hunting . (Not everyone I know hunts though so some of the rifles are simply belonged to a relative that passed it down to them)

I own three a 50 cal rifle, a 32 special longrifle, and a sawed off 12 gauge (double barrel breech load), also a crossbow (my shoulders are too frigged up to use a conventional bow.)

Dad has a few as do all 4 of my uncles, countless cousins, and all of my friends and coworkers (or in some cases their husbands own them technicaly).

so you are saying there are MORE guns than 25%?
* Private Firearm Ownership in the U.S. as of 1993/1994:



This site might support you
Just Facts.com --> Gun Control

Households With a Gun
Adults Owning a Gun

Percentage
49% 31%

Total number 47,600,0059,100,000
Wiki says

About 59.1 million adults in the United States personally own a gun. In 1993-4, roughly 93 million adults, or 49% of the adult U.S. population, lived in households with guns.[6] There is no national gun register in the USA, so it is impossible to know exactly how many guns are in circulation or who has them, but the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) estimates there are more than 200 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States

What are you frightened of? Yourselves?

As for the death penalty many jurors now won't convict because they do not want blood on their hands.
It is not a deterrent to crime, at best, it is vengeance.
See the very many Amnesty International articles/position papers/research on the subject.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Zythryn I see your point.... I think....assure = know.

Though the figure still seems unrealisticly low.

With the exception of grocery stores and a small handfull of others you can buy a firearm in nearly any Km, Wm, Srs store you care to enter here.

It was about the same in Va., Co., Ky.

Pueblo Colorado was really bizar.... EVERYONE I saw there was packing!! Lot's of gun racks!!!

Please note I don't litterally mean everyone...but a verrrrrry massive portion of the people I saw there.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

so you are saying there are MORE guns than 25%?
* Private Firearm Ownership in the U.S. as of 1993/1994:



This site might support you
Just Facts.com --> Gun Control

Households With a Gun
Adults Owning a Gun

Percentage
49% 31%

Total number 47,600,0059,100,000
Wiki says

What are you frightened of? Yourselves?

Yup!!!!!!!! Very much so!!!!!!!!! Though We're more scared of our Uncle. ..........................................(uncle sam)
Also the hour and a half wait for the police to show when I call them. The last time I called them the ambulance and volunteer fire beat them to my house and the @$$#0le that tried to rob me (right on my front F#kn porch) was long gone! (Thankfully several rounds of rock salt in his @$$!! There's a reason it lives in my truck) Incidently I live in what's considered a "SAFE" rural comunity!

You don't HAVE to use leathal ammo for a gun to save your butt.

Thanx for the stats.

[DFINITLYDISTRUBD]

Originally Posted by Zythryn

Must... Not.... go there....
Must .. Not take ... thread... off ... topic....
Must RESIST

Perhaps in another thred

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by DFINITLYDISTRUBD

Perhaps in another thred

Yeah, perhaps we should have a poll, just to see...

Do You Own a Gun ??

[Michaelangelica]

Originally Posted by freeztar

Yeah, perhaps we should have a poll, just to see...

Do You Own a Gun ??

That supports Michael Moor's statistic 20.00%

[freeztar]

Originally Posted by Michaelangelica

That supports Michael Moor's statistic 20.00%

Actually, the Hypo-poll shows 31.43% gun ownership, and it's not a "US participants only" voting poll.

[DougF]

Michaelangelica
What are you frightened of? Yourselves?

Here are some stats on the crime in the US.
Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, 2006
The violent crime in the US is scary and unpredictable, "when I was growing up" you would get robed or killed if you went to the *shady side of town*, now you can get killed sitting in house or yanked out of your car on the way to work.

Michaelangelica
As for the death penalty many jurors now won't convict because they do not want blood on their hands.

Lot of good the death penalty is, you sentience someone to death and they sit on death row for 25 years, (I think they should have one year for appeal's then flip the switch).

Michaelangelica
It is not a deterrent to crime, at best, it is vengeance.

If we were not so soft on crime (spare the rod spoil the child)
is vengeance to spank your kid, or control?
and if you don't correct them then what happens?