Neanderthals

[Moontanman]

More about read headed Neanderthals and their blood type.

European Neanderthals had ginger hair and freckles - Telegraph

[Moontanman]

Neanderthals
Top 100 Stories of 2008 #8: Cavemen: They're Just Like Us

Forget what you know about simpleminded cavemen. Scientists have discovered that Neanderthal diets were sophisticated, their tools efficient, and their development more similar to ours than researchers ever imagined.

#8: Cavemen: They're Just Like Us | Neanderthals | DISCOVER Magazine

[Moontanman]

More on neanderthals....

Biodiversity Hotspot Enabled Neanderthals To Survive Longer In South East Of Spain

Biodiversity Hotspot Enabled Neanderthals To Survive Longer In South East Of Spain
ScienceDaily (Feb. 2, 2009) — Over 14,000 years ago during the last Pleistocene Ice Age, when a large part of the European continent was covered in ice and snow, Neanderthals in the region of Gibraltar in the south of the Iberian peninsula were able to survive because of the refugium of plant and animal biodiversity. Today, plant fossil remains discovered in Gorham's Cave confirm this unique diversity and wealth of resources available in this area of the planet.

[Essay]

Neanderthal genome project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In February 2009, the research team, led by geneticist Svante Pääbo, announced that they had completed the first draft of the Neanderthal genome, which covers about 63% of the entire base pairs.[1] New results indicated that adult Neanderthals were lactose intolerant.[7] As for the possibility of cloning a Neanderthal, Pääbo commented, "Starting from the DNA extracted from a fossil, it is and will remain impossible."

The Associated Press: Team in Germany maps Neanderthal genome
The announcement was planned to coincide with the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's birth.

Beth Shapiro, an ancient DNA specialist at Penn State University, said placing the three side by side will make it possible to determine what regions of our genome make us uniquely human.
"There are 35 million differences between chimps and us," Shapiro said. "That's a lot, so we don't really know where to look. But this Neanderthal genome gets us that little bit closer."
"What they've shown is it's possible to get that much data from this old, crummy sample," said Tom Gilbert, a geneticist at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark.
Many more runs will be necessary, Gilbert said, to check each pair by covering it multiple times before it's clear which pairs are unique to the Neanderthal.
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[Moontanman]

More Neanderthal news!

Three Neanderthal Sub-groups Confirmed
ScienceDaily (Apr. 15, 2009) — The Neanderthals inhabited a vast geographical area extending from Europe to western Asia and the Middle East 30,000 to 100,000 years ago. Now, a group of researchers are questioning whether or not the Neanderthals constituted a homogenous group or separate sub-groups (between which slight differences could be observed).

Three Neanderthal Sub-groups Confirmed

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

I would like to use this thread as a place to discuss Neanderthals and their relationship to us. Questions like how close to us were they, are they part of us now and how human were they. Here are few links to get the discussion started.

More Human-Neandertal Mixing Evidence Uncovered

I have often speculated that this was so. Look at the few/rare characteristics, recessive
excessive hair on the backs of males, heavy brow ridges on some males.

I think if we could completely map the genome of the Neanderthrals that we could look
for an common ancestor (if one is available) or if intermixing, when did that occur.

maddog

[maddog]

Originally Posted by Moontanman

Thanks for the post dude, Neanderthals fascinate me, ......

In case you aren't aware, there is a Sci Fi series -- I think the first book is "Hominids" that
is speculation about finding a Parallel universe, one where Neanderthrals became the dominant
species and Cro-Magnon went extinct. It is a fascinating tale (I have read two books so far).

For instance, Neanderthrals have much better noses, so their males "know" when the
female is ready to ovulate (so no "I have a headache" among the Neanders).

maddog

[Moontanman]

That is a great trilogy maddog, I read it a couple years ago, it makes you think of how different Neanderthals might have been and if our way is the only way society can progress. I had a good friend who looked so much like the proverbial Neanderthal it wasn't even funny. I teased him about when I wanted to really get him going. Neanderthals fascinate me, it'd be great if they still existed, possibly give us something to compare our selves with. We'd probably enslaved or killed them all by now

[carlton-temple]

Neanderthals and homo/saps interbred ! Go and look at the average football hooligans !Me I don't mind homo/saps at all, specially the female ones; an I got a hyoid an lots of other bones to !

[sallynewell]

It would be great to go back to the original question, and I would love to have someone explain the latest on the lineages, hopefully with some links to some reasonable mid level references