[wine]

What proof does man have of our universe just being one of infinite?

Are there universes around us at all times that we can not sense but operate, or vibrate, at different "frequencies"? How do you think dark matter ties into this?
I know this area of cosmology is quite confusing, I am asking your personal opinion.

In a nutshell, "I" have had many out of body experiences.
I have also had many "near death" experiences where I found myself in extreme situations and have experienced paranormal, mystic, and psychedelic experiences naturally.

In these situations, I have seen infinite fractal geometry making up my bodyless universe. Pulsating. It seemed like it was right there, around me, all the time. In these realms of light I gave in, and was submissed for what seemed like hours, and calculates to minutes.

I know this must sound crazy to you scientists, but also in these realms I have seen other beings.
I was not "on drugs." I know your policy here at Hypography.
Many other people have seen these "elves" and it perfectly explains why people think they have been abducted.* *See Rick Strassman's research for proof.

Our consciousness is a window to the divine unsensable.

I just can't tell if these things happen all around us all of the time and we just can't see it, or if it's all just a vivid hallucination.

If it is just a hallucination, why do so many people see the same things?

The white light, the aliens . . And everything else in between.

I know I went off into strange details, but I had to share my experiences.
I want to further understand the concept of infinite universes.

I was watching something about stephen hawking last night on the science channel and he proposed that there are black holes in some universes, and not in others, which makes perfect sense, but...

Where are they? Outside of this one? Intertwining? Are they this one just on "another level"
A different plane?

Is the event horizon a gateway to the other universes maybe? (Of course, we're not getting through, I know)

Please share your opinions.

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by wine

What proof does man have of our universe just being one of infinite?

AFAIK absolutely none.

[infamous]

Originally Posted by wine

What proof does man have of our universe just being one of infinite?

None as yet.............

Originally Posted by wine

In a nutshell,

You find nuts............

Originally Posted by wine

In these situations, I have seen infinite fractal geometry making up my bodyless universe. Pulsating.

Have you had your eyes checked lately?

Originally Posted by wine

I know this must sound crazy to you scientists,

What scientists?????????

Originally Posted by wine

Our consciousness is a window to the divine unsensable.

Unsensable?.............undenyable!!

Originally Posted by wine

Please share your opinions.

That would be past tense..............Infy

[wine]

No proof...

So mysterious.

[wine]

Have you had your eyes checked lately?

I have perfect vision, sir. I see things the way they truly are, with much confusion, interferrence, inbetween.

If you were to die, and come back to life, you would understand what I'm trying to describe, becaue you would have been dosed with DMT naturally by your own brain.

You don't need DMT to see beautiful mandalas in the sunshine with your eyes closed either, Infamous. Give it a shot.
The trick is to look at a lot of beautiful things often,
that way there are a lot of beautiful things stored in your mind
for when you close your eyes.

See: Flowers , Mandalas, Visualisations for winamp , dream machine, etc.

I thought that maybe these amazing visions were somehow tied to the possibility of all these other dimensions but....

there are all these other dimensions and....

at this point in time there's little we can do but dabble in the puddles of mystery . .?

(we art one)(whatever (everything) one is)

[wine]

Originally Posted by infamous

Unsensable?.............undenyable!!

When you are dreaming, you are not sensing, though you Feel
Taste
Think . .

This is psychic activity! Not an act of sensing.



The mind is not the brain
or is it? Your mind closed can't
absorb this prose.

[Buffy]

Originally Posted by wine

What proof does man have of our universe just being one of infinite?

The proof is quite easy that there are *not* an infinite number of universes! This was the topic of an article in SciAm a couple of years ago on the topic of multiverses:

Basically--*assuming* a Big Bang, which I know some of our members vehemently deny, but could also be the case with a Steady State Universe--we know there are a finite number of "particles" that make up the universe (define "particles" at the lowest level necessary). You can define all the different states of all of those particles in a finite manner as well. Then you can create universes with all possible permutations of all of those states of all of those particles, and you *still* end up with a finite, countable number of possible universes in the multiverse.

The SciAm article also went to the further step of defining how much "space" that multiverse would take up (the word "space" here being used in it's odd-ball, space-time definition.

Its a really big number, but its *not* infinite!

Factorials of large powers of 10,
Buffy

[CraigD]

Originally Posted by wine

What proof does man have of our universe just being one of infinite?

That depends on what you mean by proof. If you mean: “a scientific experiment that could support or disprove the claim”, then the answer, to the best of my knowledge is “none”. If you mean: “an useful explanation of a scientific theory that uses the claim”, they answer is: The many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, and its many variants.

As the name states, the MWI is not itself a theory, but an interpretation, or “guide to understanding” the theory of quantum mechanics. It’s an alternative to the more common Copenhagen interpretation. There are many interpretations of quantum mechanics, some better, some lesser known.

In short, MWI explains why quantum physics describes reality as a “superposition of states” in which definite outcomes don’t occur, while, in the everyday world we perceive, definite outcomes always occur, and we never directly perceive superposition of states, by describing our everyday world as one of a very large, but finite, number of “parallel universes”, also called “word-lines”. Because, in MWI and other interpretation of QM, physical reality must still obey the laws of QM, these interpretations can’t have any effect on reality – the many parallel universes of MWI can no more interact with one another than they can under the Copenhagen interpretation, where no such universes are imagined.

In a nutshell, "I" have had many out of body experiences.
I have also had many "near death" experiences where I found myself in extreme situations and have experienced paranormal, mystic, and psychedelic experiences naturally.

Having had such experience myself (though never a NDE), I believe wine’s and others claims of having had them, and suspect our experience were to some extent similar. However, I’ve read a lot about, and personally conducted experiments to determine if these experience were perceptions of something existing outside of me (that is, something that would exist if I did not), consistently arriving at the conclusion that they were not. Though awe-inspiring and sometimes life-altering, I’ve concluded that these experiences are similar to what I do when I imagine, daydream, or dream, not to what I do when I watch, listen to, feel, smell, or taste something existing outside of me. Although this makes these experiences no less wonderful and profound, it leads me to not pursue physics theories to explain them as features of reality independent of my physical existence, like the Earth, Moon, Sun, and distant stars, but to pursue theories of neuroanatomy and neurophysiology to explain them as features of the function of my brain.

[Pyrotex]

Having visions, strange waking dreams, NDE-style images, so-called out-of-body experiences are not that rare.

They are a common by-product of having the most complex known structure in the Universe between our ears. Many chemical imbalances, emotional stresses, beverages, drugs, herbs, smokes, direct brain stimulation during brain surgery, and various unfortunate developmental flaws in our brains can, under the right conditions, produce any or all of these phenomenon. Ancient Greek oracles (before 200 AD) used to induce these kinds of hallucinatory states of mind in a variety of ways, so they could "foretell" the future.

I had a college friend who eventually had to go on medication to prevent her from having these "visions" too often.

But they are not an "alternate reality" or evidence of parallel universes. Or proof that Alfred Hitchcock is trying to contact you from the 'other side'.

[TheBigDog]

This thread has been an inspiration for a new thought on my Invisible Universe thread. Thanks!

Bill