How can gravity escape a black hole?

[HydrogenBond]

I am going to repeat myself but add a few extra considerations. Gravity is an acceleration with dimensions d/t/t. Energy is based on frequency and wavelength with dimensions d/t. The difference, dimensionally is the extra t. Since energy can't escape a blackhole, then d/t can not escape. This leaves only the extra t the ability to escape.

Let us look at this conceptually. What would happen if time could escape, but this time is not associated or integrated with distance. The effect would be an integration in time, that is independent of distance. It is not subject to the speed of light, since the speed of light has a connection to distance via d/t, which can not escape.

One way to explain this is the blackhole reference has space-time or d/t contracted to zero making the universe appear to overlap in distance and time. The extra dimension of time escaping, acts with all distance overlapping, create a simultaneity in time that is not a function of distance or space-time. it is not under the speed of light since d/t can not escape the blackhole.

This explains how galaxies can form integrated shapes even at distances where light needs to travels for millions of years. They coordinate in time, independent of d/t or reference differences through the galaxy. Having a blackhole in the center of a galaxy helps, because of the extra time given off at point reference, where light of d/t not be a factor.

[Janus]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

I am going to repeat myself but add a few extra considerations. Gravity is an acceleration with dimensions d/t/t. Energy is based on frequency and wavelength with dimensions d/t. The difference, dimensionally is the extra t. Since energy can't escape a blackhole, then d/t can not escape. This leaves only the extra t the ability to escape.

Stuff and nonsense. Gravity is not an acceleration. You can have acceleration due to gravity, but this is not the same as gravity being acceleration.

Dimensionally, energy is not d/t, but:

md²/t².

While the energy of a photon depends on its frequency [/i]or[i] wavelength, you use either one or the other, not both. (is is just silly to say that it depends on frequency and wavelength, because these two qualities are co-dependent)

And to relate either to energy you have to use Planck's constant which is

6.626e-34 m²kg/s which dimensionally becomes:

d²m/t

Relating energy to frequency gives us

E=hf
(h being Planck's constant)

the frequency is measured in units of 1/t

So dimensionally it becomes

E= d²m/t/t = md²/t²

which is what I gave above

Using wavelength you get

E= hc/w
(w measured as distance)

Dimensionally:

E= (d²m/t)(d/t)/d= md²/t²

which again is what I gave above. and is dimensionally consistent with any other formula for energy such as:

E= mv²/2

E=mc²

E=Fd (F is force)

E = -GMm/r (gravitational potential energy)

etc.

Science is precise, and it can't be done by mere word association as you appear to want to do.

[HydrogenBond]

Energy and mass can not escape a blackhole. But we know gravity can, which is the topic of this discussion. Therefore the gravity effect, being given off by the blackhole, can not be mass or energy related because these can not escape. It comes back to the extra time dimension manifest in the effect we see as acceleration, without matter or energy being the mediator. I call this time potential.

Although the speed of light stays the same, as energy moves toward a blackhole, there is an acceleration of d-t or wavelength and frequency. We get a blue shift as the energy gains energy due to the d/t/t acceleration. We model this in terms of space-time reference changing. But this it can also be expressed as space-time as a function of time potential density.

[Rade]

How can gravity escape a black hole?

Is it possible the answer requires that we look at phenomenon we lump together as being "gravity" as having two forms (1) an attractive potential--gravity (2) a repulsive potential--antigravity. That is, both matter and energy that we "observe" and "measure" are the result of a superposition of interaction of (1) attractive potential-gravity and (2) repulsive potential-antigravity. Thus, perhaps black hole allow a repulsive potential in the form of gravity that operates on matter+antimatter superposition to escape, but never an attractive potential. Just asking.

[Little Bang]

I agree with Hydro. This from another post and I think explains why gravity can escape.

I hope the reader will agree that any particle can be considered it's own clock ( an observer ) and that a clock even one nanometer higher in a gravity well will run slightly faster than a clock one nanometer lower. Suppose we had a frictionless tube, one meter long, whose inside diameter is just large enough to allow a diatomic hydrogen molecule to move freely up and down in the tube. We fill the tube with diatomic hydrogen at STP and stand the tube up perpendicular to the surface of the Earth. Each molecule is moving up and down in the tube colliding with the molecule above and below. Let’s observe the path of a particular molecule which we call B. The molecule above we call A and the one below we call C. We start watching B as it moves down the tube toward C with velocity d/t. The molecule B (clock/observer) will calculate it's momentum, at the instant before the collision with C, using it's clock which is running slightly slower than when it collided with A. It will find it's momentum at C to be greater than the momentum of the collision with A. Doesn't this suggest that gravity is strictly a function of time dilation? This would also explain why we can't tell the difference between gravity and inertia. If gravity is the result of a graviton how does it get out? Time on the other hand does not have to worry about anything but it's own dilation.

[modest]

Originally Posted by Little Bang

If gravity is the result of a graviton how does it get out?

I think it's a great question, and this might bear repeating:

Originally Posted by modest

We can thank Janus for this gem. He quoted it in another forum:

~modest

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

It comes back to the extra time dimension manifest in the effect we see as acceleration, without matter or energy being the mediator. I call this time potential.

Your dimensional analysis is flawed. The force of gravity, acceleration, and energy all have units of time squared in the denominator as has been shown.

~modest

[Little Bang]

I don't have the skills to prove or disprove my idea about gravity. The logic itself appears unassailable to me but the proof lies in calculating the difference in momentum due to the tiny time dilation experienced by the molecule. I'll use an extreme example. Let's say it is ten meters between the collision of B with A and B with C. After the collision with A, B is traveling at 10m/s which means it should take one second for it to collide with C. During B's trip from A to C it's clock slows (from time dilation) to 0.5 seconds. I'll use an extreme example. Let's say it is ten meters between the collision of B with A and B with C. After the collision with A, B is traveling at 10m/s which means it should take one second for it to collide with C. During B's trip from A to C it's clock slows (from time dilation) to 0.5 seconds. As far as B is concerned it's collision with C will be faster than 10m/s. So in this example the momentum at C is higher than the momentum at A. Of course this is not right because the clock slows as it falls down the gravity well so the actually calculations would be very complicated.