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Originally Posted by C1ay
Put another way we could say that you just don't believe there's anything massive enough that even light is cuaght by it's enormous gravitational field. My math's not as good as Einstein's either but Stephen Hawking's is, and he does believe in them.
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Fairly put.
I believe that to create a black hole you would need INFINITE mass.
The assumption behind Black Holes is that escape velocity is proportional to mass. If that assumption is correct then given a large enough mass the escape velocity reaches C and a Black Hole is born.
But can escape velocity reach C so easily? Gravity is a force that accelerates objects in free fall. how much acceleration to reach C? An object can be accelerated for any finite time with any finite acceleration without reaching C - just gets closer and closer to C without ever quite reaching it. An object falling into a finite gravitational field will never quite reach C. Put a perfect trampoline on the surface so that it bounces off at the same velocity as it arrived and it will escape the gravitational field.
Where an object can go light can follow - it can escape from any object with an escape velocity less than C - it will just be red shifted. Perhaps it will be red shifted dramatically, but it should still escape.
Why should gravitational acceleration be any different for other accelerations?
Einstein Versus Stephen Hawkins? Perhaps I am right and then again I might be wrong, but who would bet with certainty ether way in that fight?