What exists beyond the known universe?

[geko]

Originally posted by: oblivion
God/Gods/Allah/Jesus/Vishnu/Zeus etc. = Infinite.

How is a god infinite?

[Tormod]

Originally posted by: Truth
Keep it simple. Beyond the universe nothing exist. the universe is governed by mathematics.If you cant count it it doesn't exist.

Okay. Our universe = 1. The universe next door = 2.

Mathematics does not prove anything. Mathematics is a tool which explains a lot of the properties of the universe. However, I would like to see you prove that "the universe is governed by mathematics". That is quite a statement!

Tormod

[oblivion]

According to all religions - The God = Infinite.

[Tormod]

Originally posted by: oblivion
According to all religions - The God = Infinite.

Not all religions have one god. Some even manage without gods (like Buddhism). Some have lots of gods (like Hinduism).

In Christianity, the universe is a temporary place which will be replaced by Heaven after judgment day. It is young, and will not last much longer (in fundamentalist terms, not my own).

Anyway, the title of this thread is "what is beyond all the known stuffs in the universe?" - I don't think the answer is "God" or "Infinite". These are words which can be defined to contain just about anything we want.

I think Tim is asking - can we know if there is anything outside of our universe? That is something we have discussed many times before. I have recommended the book "Impossibility - the science of limits and the limits of science" by John Barrow, which is a good treatise on human understanding and what we can possibly know. It is cosmology, so it is full of both mathematics and philosophy.

Tormod

[oblivion]

Buddhism - Enlightenment = Infinite. Hindu Gods = Infinite. Christianity = God, Jesus and Holy Spirit= Infinite. You know what I mean. Whichever you belief = Infinite.

[Bo]

with questions like 'What is beyond everything?' You need to take into account that we really dont know yet what everything is. Some examples: -70% of the stuff this universe is made of, we have no clue what it is. -We use mathematics as our language to discribe the world , and it does a good job, however we have no guarantee that is the right language. - We have no idea what space-time is. -etc. So my answer to your question: Beyond everything we know is A LOT that we dont know yet. In other words: There is no need to look over the mountains when we dont know where the mountains are. I guess that you can define relegion/god as the answer to your question. But that is no answer, it is a restatement of the question. -Bo

[Uncle Martin]

Originally posted by: Bo
with questions like 'What is beyond everything?'

Isn't this question a paradox? Something can't be beyond everything, as it must be a piece of everything. We can't see beyond everything, since any photons we can detect must come from a source within everything. We can't go beyond everything, past some barrier, as we are another part of everything and so is any barrier,..... as is whatever is on the other side. The very idea of a barrier or end indicates something more on the other side. Not even nothing can be beyond everything.

Does anyone see the point I'm trying to make? I haven't had my coffee yet, this may not be explained as clearly as I'd like.

I think I'll take Tormod's advice and read the book he recommends.

[Tormod]

I think you are right, Unc. It is a paradox. Like Bo says, we don't even know what kind of matter most of the universe is made of.

I agree that the term "everything" is the problem here. There cannot be anything "outside" everything. I took Tim's question to mean "what is outside the known universe" but maybe I was wrong.

Tormod

[lindagarrette]

Before there was anything there was nothing, and nothing is outside of everythong. It's a never ending story, so to speak.

[Uncle Martin]

Originally posted by: lindagarrette
Before there was anything there was nothing, and nothing is outside of everythong. It's a never ending story, so to speak.

Actually, every thong I've ever seen is almost nothing.