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Someone just asked me to reduce the amout of links and add a bit of what I think. So he we go

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The Universe goes for ever.

Anybody question this

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The internal parts of the universe form units
we can start from
1) the atom
2) to the solar system
3) Part of the galaxy
4) Part of the local cluster of galaxies where m87 is central influence
5) Part of the cluster of a bigger cluster
6) and this forms part of a bigger cluster.
7) which forms part of a super dooper cluster.
8) there are about 9 known super dooper clusters that form a super-huge cluster which cannot be defined yet because of the limit man can see.

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Does the Universe expand.

No way
How can the endless universe expand. Its like infinity expanding which cannot be done.
Some people will add illusions and fantasies and multi dimensions to make their models work.

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Do the internal parts of the universe expand.
Yes they do.
When objects explode they expand.
We see this in stars when they explode.
We see it in jet streams from active Black holes that eject material deep into space.
We see the rare waves moving out from a galaxy from a probable black hole explosion or collision.

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Do the internal parts of the universe contract
Yes they do
Ultra dense matter in the form of neutron stars, white dwarfs, quark stars, Large ultra dense matter that prevents light from escaping (some call these black holes, but are not the holes that we see in movies ) collect other matter through gravity and electromagnetic forces. Some contract and some collapse to extreme ultra dense matter.
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What makes up the universe?
99% is in the form of PLASMA
Stars and Black Holes.
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Does the local visible universe expand. Not as a whole. Only parts. This does not imply that the universe is expanding.


I have given many links previously for an against.
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Must stop,,,,,,,,,,,,,,have to go and pick up the kids

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How the universe will end.
There are so many stories about the fate of the system relating to the function of the universe including the galaxies. No specific information on the subject. No one is certain about their theories. The scientists fear a collision between the planetary systems. May be the sun exhausts its energy and so the entire surrounding planets will go dead. Identically there is nothing to believe. All is based on assumptions and raw opinions. No one can say with firm words, what the temporary inhabitants of this global village will have to see at the moment of the destruction of the entire universe. Yes! The entire universe is going to meet the end. No million or trillion years. It will take not more than 500 years and there will be no galaxies no stars, nothing to observe. There will be no observatories to peep into the depth of the starry skies to enjoy the hide and seek glamour of the sky objects. All the material hard like diamonds will turn into dust. Yes the mountains will turn into as gales of snow. First of all an echo will be heard all over the world. No one will pay an attention to the sound which will go harsh in a short time. A tremor will be felt soon after it, resulting in a major disaster all over the universe. The sky will go red due to the fire which will burst out all over here and there in the universe. The oceans will evaporate and all kind of life on the earth or on the planets [if there is] will completely be finished. All kind of material will lose its compaction power and will turn into dust. Nothing will left here except dust and darkness. Tarajee.
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All kind of material will lose its compaction power and will turn into dust. Nothing will left here except dust and darkness.
The universe will do whatever it will do with or without our involvement. The only thing we can effect is the length of time we have to attempt to understand it and the joy we can experience as we try.
In my humble opinion, we are a very long way away from understanding how the universe will end, if it ever will. If we cannot understand how it started, I hardly think we know how it will end.
I know enough to doubt my understanding.
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It sounds as if you are refering to the book of mattew. The sun will turn to darkness, the moon will not shine and the stars will fall from the sky and on a great cloud Jesus will swoop to earth on the sound of trumpets to divinely intervene in human affairs. Now I don't know about you but I am having a hard time believing in the supernatural currently speaking in that the more I understand about the nature of things the harder it is to have faith that a great supernatural being is even concerned about a little planet called earth and he is going to judge us anyway. It is a humanism approach which calls for progress of the planet and advancement of human civilization while religion is just waiting for the final judgement. Right and wrong good and evil get miscontrued as each state is soveriergn and has the right to establish its own laws which govern that state it is only until someone gets a wild hair and decides to take a state matter to the federal circuit. But I think science and cosmology are both scientific, religious, and in many way a mystery and as humans we are naturally prone to question our exsistence through finding laws of nature and the supernatural is a question of faith.
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How the universe will end.


There is no ending to the never ending story.

The universe is ageless and endless its infinte in every way.

Its home to all the parts within. These parts will go by the never ending cycle of forming and reforming of stars and galaxies.

Our solar system will eventually die a few billion years from now.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010405.html

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Where did the gold in your jewelry originate? No one is completely sure. The relative average abundance in our Solar System appears higher than can be made in the early universe, in stars, and even in typical supernova explosions. Some astronomers now suggest that neutron-rich heavy elements such as gold might be most easily made in rare neutron-rich explosions such as the collision of neutron stars

It talks about the early universe. Makes an assumtion that the Big Bang theory is true.
The universe is ageless and recyclic in my opinion.


Neutron star
http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...rs_031203.html

Star birth

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Bima/StarForm.html
http://www.stsci.edu/stsci/meetings/shst2/ballyj.html
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/swas/science1.html
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/...Star+Formation
http://www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/rese...rformation.htm
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state....t2/himass.html

Star death

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia...StarDeath.html
http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state....supernova.html
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Its home to all the parts within. These parts will go by the never ending cycle of forming and reforming of stars and galaxies.
Have you heard of entropy before? given enough time the universe will come to thermal equlibrium and max entropy will be reached, no going back!


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There is no ending to the never ending story.

The universe is ageless and endless its infinte in every way.

Its home to all the parts within. These parts will go by the never ending cycle of forming and reforming of stars and galaxies.
I agree, tha's in line with my signature.

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Yes I have heard of entropy

"Have you heard of entropy before? given enough time the universe will come to thermal equlibrium and max entropy will be reached, no going back!"


In the last forty years I have heard many things.

Entropy is wrong in the case of an infinite universe an ultra dense plasma matter. We need to see the actual happenings to the total universe and not to the indivitual parts that go through a recycle process.

Who said there is no going back.

Info on entropy for those who want info.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...entrop.html#e1
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...seclaw.html#c4
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...emper2.html#c2
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ntrop2.html#c1
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...entrop.html#e3
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...therid.html#c1
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Entropy is wrong in the case of an infinite universe an ultra dense plasma matter.
Please provide some citations for this intriguing idea.

Before you do that, however, would you clarify what you are saying. I am assuming the highlighted an is meant to be an and. So, what do you mean by "it is wrong"? do you mean there is no entropy in an infinite Universe...etc? Do you mean that entropy is reversible?

I am guessing, from the midst of your superficial statment, you mean that the Universe will recycle by collapsing back to a singularity - the ultra dense plasma matter - then initiate a further Big Bang, in the process rewinding the entropy 'clock'. If this is what you mean, how do you account for the current view that the Universe will continue to expand for ever?
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Hello Eclogite

as for an and and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,i think you can work that one for yourself.

you asked for "Please provide some citations for this intriguing idea."

Entropy does not apply to the universe it may apply to its parts. As part of a recycling process.


The universe will never collapse to a singularity its parts will go through a cycle and part of this cycle is the singularity. All the parts will never ever collapse to a single point in sapce.

As for the Big Bang theory its only a theory which does not stack up.

Its amazing that so many people are talking about the Big Bang Theory and actually think that it happened. Its only a thoery.

In the last few years or should I say decades the Big Bang has been put on the back burner as a theory that once was. Still the amount of people that talk about it is over 60 % which says to us there must be something to it or we have been lead up the garden path for a long time and we have developed habits of thinking along the lines of the Big Bang and as you know habits are hard to stop and change.



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http://www.fixall.org/bigbang/bigblackbang.htm

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Cosmology is the scientific study of the beginnings of our Universe. Theories have been devoloped by cosmologists to explain how the Universe came about. One theory, the Big Bang theory, while acknowledged by the theorists to be just a theory, has come to be accepted by most mainstream scientists and subsequently by most of the public. However, a careful reading of the originators of these theories reveals that they, the authors, consider the theory to be an assumption. A serious error of great import occurs, however, when secondary observers assume the assumption is fact. For when the theory eventually filters down to the public, the theory is taken as the truth.


http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/
one example from the many

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" Light Element Abundances predict contradictory densities
The Big bang theory predicts the density of ordinary matter in the universe from the abundance of a few light elements. Yet the density predictions made on the basis of the abundance of deuterium, lithium-7 and helium-4 are in contradiction with each other, and these predictions have grown worse with each new observation. The chance that the theory is right is now less than one in one hundred trillion"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bang.html

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Religious circles embraced the idea of an expanding universe because for the universe to be expanding, then at some point in the past it had to originate from a single point, called the Big Bang". The "Big Bang" coincided nicely with religious doctrine and just as had been the case with epicycles (and despite the embarrassment thereof) religious institutions sought to encourage this new model of the universe over all others, including the then prevalent "steady state" theory."

http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm
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"Cosmology Statement.org (Published in New Scientist, May 22-28 issue, 2004, p. 20)

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory.

In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, RAISE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE UNDERLYING THEORY.

But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation. "

But there is more as the man would say.
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