Our universe through a wormhole

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Harry Costas

Worm Holes are science fiction.


So is time travel.

So is going through a Black Hole and coming out of the other side in one part.

How many f*cking times do you need to be asked? Support it! And this does not mean posting a thousand links from astronomy picture of the day... In your own words, referencing specific works, support your statements... it is not absolute.


At the VERY least, say "In my opinion" first...

[arkain101]

your going to let someones ignorance make you smack yourself?

[ryan2006]

I am sorry but Harry really isn't the problem the problem is that Ryan hasn't come up with any proof really other that his hypothesis or working thesis that all this is perhaps true. I am no expert and I don't claim to be I didn't attend a college or university for physics or chemistry I went to school for art and psychology. I do know this though no matter how you try to define universe it is so vast that human can not fathom what 1 x a million zeros behind it means so how can we even comprehend something larger than life Harry I am sorry you have the right to claim what you want but like infinite says it is best to leave it with the experts. That is why I left the site alone I figured that someone with physics or mathematics could explain it. I was letting it go sometimes we differ on opinion or test result the universe is so big that test results have to be repeated to make theory law it doesn't happen over night understanding a part of the universe may take 500 years or better by that time human civilization may be gone so enjoy the sky you don't have to be an expert to wish on a star.

[InfiniteNow]

No harm no foul Ryan. Keep looking at the things that interest you. Just don't follow the trend set by others and post statements in an absolute tone without any sort of support.

With three eyes open,

[Ibbo]

Forgive me for my ignorance, for this is my first post, but this specific topic caught my eye, and i was hoping for a brief answer on a question relating to the subject.

People are claiming that it would be impossible for a universe to travel through a black hole (ala worm-hole), but my question is- would it be hypothetically possible for a black hole to grow massive enough (bearing in mind that that would take an inprobable amount of time) for it to encompass and 'suck up' an entire galaxy? And if so, is there any scientific evidance that would show that black holes are restricted to a certain mass/size (i.e. can only grow so big).

Now if it was possible for it to encompass an entire galaxy (and therefor hypothetically possible for it to suck up galatic clusters, etc... ergo the mini-verses) Then would all of the mass and energy of the mini-verse be 'inside' the black hole? And, if it was restricted to get so big- would it be in any way at all likely that it could reach a point where-by it would collapse upon itself and all of that trapped energy would be forced out? And (there is ALOT of presuposition with this) could this be what scientists claim to be the big bang?

As of yet, i have no research to back any of this up, bar brief examples found on other webpages. I was only wondering if anyone else had drawn a similar hypothesis and knew alot more about black holes than i do !

-Sam

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by Ibbo

Forgive me for my ignorance, for this is my first post, but this specific topic caught my eye, and i was hoping for a brief answer on a question relating to the subject.

Hi Ibbo... welcome to the site. As I mentioned in the post immediately previous to yours, ignorance isn't a problem if someone is working hard to eliminate it. I'm truly ignorant on all manner of subjects, but I try everyday to lessen it's role in my life. Anway, you had a bunch of questions, and I'll only work at those I feel confortable enough to explain.

Originally Posted by Ibbo

People are claiming that it would be impossible for a universe to travel through a black hole (ala worm-hole), but my question is- would it be hypothetically possible for a black hole to grow massive enough (bearing in mind that that would take an inprobable amount of time) for it to encompass and 'suck up' an entire galaxy?

There is a bit of semantics (word meaning issues) involved with this. The term "universe" conjures up thoughts of an all encompassing entity, and if it is truly "all encompassing" then to think of something outside of it is strange. However, if you were to say "could a *portion* of the universe travel through a wormhole (if wormholes are truly possible in anything more than theory and math), then I'd say certainly (with slight trepedation).

Thing with black holes (and worm holes) is that we are still trying to figure it all out. We've come a long way, and we can say how many things about them work and predict other aspects about them, but "certainty" is a big word. At best, we may only have a "best guess approximation."

Originally Posted by Ibbo

And if so, is there any scientific evidance that would show that black holes are restricted to a certain mass/size (i.e. can only grow so big).

There may be other sources too, but recently at the Chandra Xray Observatory work was done showing that black holes roughly 100 million solar masses or greater have been forced to stop growing due to a lack of infalling material... the universe forced annorexia on them.

Personally, I try to refrain from making a final judgment because the universe is a big place, and we've learned so many things in the last few millenia that anything may be possible. Perhaps these uber black holes are just resting, like we do after a big thanksgiving meal, but they are getting ready for dessert and leftovers...

Originally Posted by Ibbo

Then would all of the mass and energy of the mini-verse be 'inside' the black hole? And, if it was restricted to get so big- would it be in any way at all likely that it could reach a point where-by it would collapse upon itself and all of that trapped energy would be forced out? And (there is ALOT of presuposition with this) could this be what scientists claim to be the big bang?

I'll give that an absolute, definite, 100% maybe. Nobody really knows yet (with any certainty) what happens inside a black hole. Currently, physicists are working hard to combine general relativity (the very large) with quantum mechanics (the very small) into something that has been termed by some "quantum gravity." This is still as yet ill understood, even by leading experts and brainiacs... so don't be too hard on yourself if you're struggling bringing all the concepts together into a simple picture.


There is likely much overlap between your ideas and others, but consensus is no indicator of fact. Just keep your mind open and thirsty... keep studying and keep reading and keep trying... No matter how confused you might get.

Okay, that was a really long post... sorry 'bout that. In sum, welcome to Hypography. Enjoy yourself.

[ryan2006]

I tend to disagree that wormholes are science fiction because I know of a current way to go from point a to point b but what I do not know is whether or not it is bended time or simply travel. I've said enough about it and have talked with N.A.S.A. about it but it is suppose to be secret. They do not reply when I talk about it. Meaning they have no comment. I am hoping that human beings will find a higher calling of moral integrity and quit fighting amongst eachother in order for the human race to survive in the physical sense because if I could travel to another planet somewhere out in space that was much like earth had oxygen I would love to travel their with little energy needed to do it or one that was self perpetuating drawing from the energy source that allready exsist such as Tesla's so called experiment in Russia I believe in 1910 but having to do with space. I think the secret is out however and my wishes to advance the human race comes with the sad knowledge that human like to kill eachother over ridiculus things. I respect a soveriegn nation but I believe the proliferation of weapons is not all bad especially if we were attacked by an alien race which is probable give the fact that you can probably go from point a to point b are we a threat to their airspace is a question you have to ask yourself which contradicts the bible and but not the teachings of it. Folding spacetime leaves us with many puzzling questions. As we fought over what democracy means we will also have to overcome some ancient questions and perhaps Hubble telescope can zero in on a planet somewhere out there and we can see the aliens instead of sending radio signals in hopes of them contacting us because honestly they could be primitive or advanced and different than us. If they know we are here and have traveled here I said if because I am not 100% certain then they must be peaceful otherwise they would have allready taken the planet for its resources but if they can travel light years in just day or hours depending on speed then yeah Harry it is science fiction to you because their is no evidence to prove without a reasonable doubt that we can travel great distances but it doesn't mean that we the human race are not trying to do it.
And perhaps you can see why we are because if there are planets like earth without inhabitant of intellect then we can possess more resources and our race can flourish.End.

[Harry Costas]

Hello Ryan

Forget about worm holes. There is too much said about movie stuff. If you could see the light at the end of the tunnel you can work to it. Sometimes we know that there is not light at the end for a reason. Work the reason out and maybe ????????

About travelling large distances man will find a way to travel much faster than the speed of light.

But! the universe is so big that another form of transport needs to be looked at.

[Eclogite]

Originally Posted by Harry Costas

About travelling large distances man will find a way to travel much faster than the speed of light.

That is an interesting suggestion. Which aspect of Special Relativity do you think is flawed? How would you set about demonstrating this flaw? (Are any presently planned investigations likely to reveal it?) Do you think the flaw is fundamental or approximate? By which I mean, if approximate, it works for certain conditions approximately, just as Newton works approximiately for slow moving objects. Or, is it just plain wrong?

[ryan2006]

Harry, how fast would you travel in a time warp?