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Old 04-19-2006   #11 (permalink)
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big holes and black bangs ( ) whatever - when we are talking about these things I realise how far over our heads we are!

There is no scientific proof that a large black hole would make another big bang, it is a theory, and a theory it will remain because there is no way of prooving it in the foreseeable future.

As for the poll, you say will the universe bang again? do you mean our visible universe, the one we inhabit - or are you talking about absolutly everything, different parrallel universes, parrallel dimensions the whole shebang? the only thing you cant include is time.. otherwise the question becomes rather meaningless..


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Its amazing that so many people are talking about the Big Bang Theory and actually think that it happened. Its only a thoery.

In the last few years or should I say decades the Big Bang has been put on the back burner as a theory that once was. Still the amount of people that talk about it is over 60 % which says to us there must be something to it or we have been lead up the garden path for a long time and we have developed habits of thinking along the lines of the Big Bang and as you know habits are hard to stop and change.



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http://www.fixall.org/bigbang/bigblackbang.htm

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"Cosmology is the scientific study of the beginnings of our Universe. Theories have been devoloped by cosmologists to explain how the Universe came about. One theory, the Big Bang theory, while acknowledged by the theorists to be just a theory, has come to be accepted by most mainstream scientists and subsequently by most of the public. However, a careful reading of the originators of these theories reveals that they, the authors, consider the theory to be an assumption. A serious error of great import occurs, however, when secondary observers assume the assumption is fact. For when the theory eventually filters down to the public, the theory is taken as the truth."


http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/
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" Light Element Abundances predict contradictory densities
The Big bang theory predicts the density of ordinary matter in the universe from the abundance of a few light elements. Yet the density predictions made on the basis of the abundance of deuterium, lithium-7 and helium-4 are in contradiction with each other, and these predictions have grown worse with each new observation. The chance that the theory is right is now less than one in one hundred trillion"

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/bang.html

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"Religious circles embraced the idea of an expanding universe because for the universe to be expanding, then at some point in the past it had to originate from a single point, called the "Big Bang". The "Big Bang" coincided nicely with religious doctrine and just as had been the case with epicycles (and despite the embarrassment thereof) religious institutions sought to encourage this new model of the universe over all others, including the then prevalent "steady state" theory."

http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm
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"Cosmology Statement.org (Published in New Scientist, May 22-28 issue, 2004, p. 20)

The big bang today relies on a growing number of hypothetical entities, things that we have never observed-- inflation, dark matter and dark energy are the most prominent examples. Without them, there would be a fatal contradiction between the observations made by astronomers and the predictions of the big bang theory.

In no other field of physics would this continual recourse to new hypothetical objects be accepted as a way of bridging the gap between theory and observation. It would, at the least, RAISE SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OF THE UNDERLYING THEORY.

But the big bang theory can't survive without these fudge factors. Without the hypothetical inflation field, the big bang does not predict the smooth, isotropic cosmic background radiation that is observed, because there would be no way for parts of the universe that are now more than a few degrees away in the sky to come to the same temperature and thus emit the same amount of microwave radiation. "

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Its amazing that so many people are talking about the Big Bang Theory and actually think that it happened. Its only a thoery.

In the last few years or should I say decades the Big Bang has been put on the back burner as a theory that once was.
Yes it's a theory, but that it has been put on the back burner is wishful thinking on your behalf. I have read at least 15 (new) popular science books in the past two years which all include aspects of big bang theory.

I would say that the big bang theory is alive and thriving, and *evolving*, as any good scientific theory should.

Considering that the standard model theory is based on proven predictions, it is a very strong theory. However, since interpretation of scientific proof is always up for scrutiny there will always be dissent. There is nothing wrong with that, but dissent does not mean that a theory is dead.


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http://www.bigbangneverhappened.org/
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But there is more as the man would say.
Yes, there is more. For example Ned Wright's rebuttal of Lerner's book.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/lerner_errors.html


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I believe that is what I ment when I said "nothing imploded, causing the big bang"

Rather, everything imploded to nothing, making nothing explode. Universe just recycles it's self.

Here ends the reading of DarkColoredLight; Chapter End of All Things to Come, Verses Begining of All Things to End.


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Yes the Big Bang model is thriving right now but so did the steady-state model of the universe onee upone a time...I'm not saying that the Big Bang model is flawed or that the Steady-State model is correct I'm merely stating that anything is indeed possible...And the birth of the univer is still up for speculation....

And I think I read in a book that the accelerated expansion of the universe is caused by Dark Energy is this true and if so what excactly is dark energy...?Or as excact as we can concieve it to be....
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Now I'm no scientist, but since I haven't found an answer to this dark energy question of what is it, I'll throw an answer out there. This is more or less a uneducated guess. This is my opinion, no facts behind it, so you can assume it's false if you'd like.
The dark energy is an expanding universe inside of our universe. You could say it's another universe of forms, supporting Platos idea. You could say it's heaven/hell where all the pure/lost souls are living now in their "reality." You could say it's god in the flesh, what ever you say it's probably just as good as my guess.

Does anyone have evidence disproving my theory?

Could we be dark energy inside a bigger universe, which our universe "big banged" into existance into said bigger universe?


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Years ago I read Hawking's book, A Brief History Of Time, where he said there may have been and continue to be a series of Big Bangs and Big Crunches. Has Hawking modified that theory of the Universe?


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ok ill put a post up in the philosophy forums on this sorta idea


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