Parallel Universes

[WillieB]

I am about half way through Michio Kaku's Parallel Worlds. Is there anyone out there that truly believes in the existence of parallel universes? For that matter do you really believe in the actual existence of those extra six or seven dimensions that the string theory demands? Both of these phenomena seem so contrived. Are they the result of the esoteric demands of higher mathematics or do they truly exist?

[Jay-qu]

You can believe as much as you want, but religion shows faith isnt enough. Until there is first hand proof, which may never be found, how can one logically come to the conclusion that a parrallel universe exists? I do realise that this can hinge a bit on what you define as a universe, not to be confused with parrallel dimensions, that may have some mathematical merit.

[LJP07]

Originally Posted by WillieB

Is there anyone out there that truly believes in the existence of parallel universes?

In a articulate fashion and monotone voice.....

No

[InfiniteNow]

I believe that our current definitions of these terms require a bit of restructuring, at which time, the concept of many worlds may show merit. At present, too many folks get flummoxed agreeing on what a universe is and what "parellel" means in this context to move forward.

[HydrogenBond]

Anything is possible in the human imagination since it is not limited to cause and affect. This where parallel universes came into existance. I am under the belief that such theories are a projection of what is within our own psyches, which appear to un in our imaginations. If one does not see it as such, it appears real. The religious person who believes in heaven or hell has speculated parallel universes for thousands of years. It is nothing new. Science doesn't recognize these. Instead it just renamed the projection and now calls it, state of the art thinking.

Extra dimensions is what is necessary to get the math to add up and close. It gets the job done, but this in no way proves the existance of extra dimensions in reality. That is two different things.

For example if I assume gravity is due to the repulsion of space onto matter, one would get the same results. The math would be reversed and would correlate just as well. But it does not reflect reality, inspite of the mathematical correlation that may result. This is just the imagination creating a parallel universe, where gravity is backwards. Which, ironically can be modelled well with mathematics that works in this universe.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Anything is possible in the human imagination since it is not limited to cause and affect.

Neither is the rest of the universe limited to c&e. See Bell's Theorem or quantum nonlocality.

[HydrogenBond]

Uncertainty, random, chaos are all theories that mess up the brain and create a self forfilling prophesy. Let me give an example, if we combust O2and H2 we always end up with water. It does not form a random blend of things and/or something that may happen or not. It is heading to logical order instead illogical disorder and chaos.

I believe that at the tiny side of nature random, chaos etc. has more importance, but as we head toward the larger side of natue, order is far more important. Getting back to the above example, if we react O2 and H2, we may get a distribution of radical precursors subject to uncertainty but they will all combine via logical order into H2O. The vapor phase H2O may also form a random chaos but it too will form order as it condenses into droplets. The droplets may also show chaos and disorder but will form a puddle that will always take the shape of its container.

The logical result is both order and chaos happen at the same time with choas moving into orderred arrangments as things get larger. If one picks one or the other, you are only seeing half of reality, which means one is out of touch with reality. Therefore anything becomes possible.

If one is in a bad mood one will look at the world in a certain way. If one is in a good mood they will see the world differently. Reality does not change because of mood, rather mood affects how one percieves reality. If one believes in disorder that is what you will see. If one believes in order one will see that. Reality does not change but a limiting percpetion assures one will not see reality for what it is. The imagination now has full reign allowing biased fantasy to look like reality.

One may say, but the math works fine for chaotic perception. If I was to propose that gravity was due to the repulsion of matter by space, one will get the same affect. The math will also add up. Yet, everyone knows this is out of touch with reality inspite of the math adding up. Math can be used to support imaginary illusions of science. Math is a tool that can be used to build houses and sand castles.

Parallel universes is nothing new. Religion has speculated heaven as an alternate reality not based on matter. Science calls this fantasy. Science then renames this same intuition and calls it parallel universes. As though a simple name change is all that it takes to make religion, science. Science does go further and builds its sand castle with math instead of faith.

[InfiniteNow]

Originally Posted by HydrogenBond

Uncertainty, random, chaos are all theories that mess up the brain and create a self forfilling prophesy. ... It does not form a random blend of things and/or something that may happen or not. It is heading to logical order instead illogical disorder and chaos... The logical result is both order and chaos happen at the same time with choas moving into orderred arrangments as things get larger.

How do your comments fit with the Laws of Thermodynamics and with the concept of entropy?

[DimeRazorback]

I dunno i was just thinking. Does anyone else reckon that deja view has somthing to do with a time slip between parallel universes??

[Tormod]

Originally Posted by DimeRazorback

I dunno i was just thinking. Does anyone else reckon that deja view has somthing to do with a time slip between parallel universes??

So do you mean that this is your view?

Why would it be a "time slip"? Wouldn't it be a "dimension slip"? Please suggest an explanation of how you think this might happen. How are the dimensions interconnected?

I'd like to say that I have never believed in the many worlds theory. I remember *almost* throwing Marcus Chown's book "The Universe Next Door" into the fireplace for relentlessly claiming that it is a reality.