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Old 10-21-2002   #1 (permalink)
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The way it looks, we may not know what is going to happen until it happens, because it is getting hard to keep up with whether the universe is going to keep expanding or stop and collapse the way they keep changing their theories. As a guy I know says, first WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND GRAVITY BEFORE WE START GUESSING AT OTHER THINGS (whether speed of light is constant, etc.).

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The universe is collapsing and expanding at the same time. Check out my posting for Warp Mechanics in this forum. I swear it explains everything, Quantum gravity, Universal expansion(stability and structure), behavior of Quanta, What the Quanta actually are and how they sustain themselves as individual entities that work in unison to maintain a sub-universal balance... you name it! It is completely flawless. But I'm nobody,right? We'll see.

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i aint going to pack my bags in this lifetime. lol. might happen very soon but thats a LONG time in space/time!
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lol. i wish Einstein was around to read about Quantum gravity! Hey. i'm heading over there to read about it myself!
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Hi.

I only got into theoretical physics quite recently, funnily enough as a result of working on music theory, and how music is intricatly linked with more than just its self and mathematics.

As part of my work on Music theory, I began to investigate Pythagoras's concept of Musica Mundana, then expanded his work to encompass the entire universe, effectivly attempting to describe the universe as music on a very large scale. Part of that work was to describe the universe as acting as a sine wave, which, seeing as everything else can be described as acting in such a fashion, I can see no reason for the universe its self not to.

Anyway, back to the point. In order to describe the universe as a sine wave, I needed to understand various elements about it, which fall under the heading Theoretical physics.
One of the places I looked for information was the local Library, where I referenced a book called "The New Cosmology" published by Icon Critical Dictionaries in 1998, Within that book, they made the statement that light would have slowed down as the universe cooled. Having seen this statement, seeming to back up the idea's I was already formulating, I looked elsewhere for information on the idea of light slowing down, but could find no other reference to it at all prior to today when I found this forum purely by chance.

Now, in order for the universe to collapse under musical laws, light will have to turn 180ĒŠ. This can only be achieved under gravity, which, if I have understood this correctly, could already be underway. (Speculation only)
Once Gravity has a firm hold on light, it will reach the apex of its rotation within 1/36 of the total lifespan of the universe. From then on in, we can presume that light, and matter will accellerate back towards point zero at a rate of at least C = (Gravity*Temperature) / Density. There may be other factord involved, I dont know, like I said, I am a beginner at this, I'm a musician first.

The problem I have with the big bang theory (actually theres several but thats another matter) is that it states that when the big crunch comes, everything will be squeezed into a singularity within a very short space of time, less than 1 second. Now, consider this. An awefull lot of matter is moving at an extremly high velocity and at extremly high temperatures towards a very tiny region of space. That gives it a heck of a lot of energy. Now, in contrast to black holes in which the energy has space to escape into (in the form of radiation, Stephen Hawkings "A brief History of time") the big crunch singularity will not have that luxury; It will be surrounded by a pure vacuum which cannot contain radiation of any form (unlike space which contains stellar matter, dust, asteroids, etc...). So, where is this energy going to go?

I put it to you that if the universe is to collapse back into a singularity, it will do so in the same manner as a ball thrown violently at a brick wall. Its going to bounce. Not only that, I further surmise that it has already been repeating this cycle since the beginning of time.

I would like to hear your comments on this theory, like I said, I am new to this so forgive me if I'm going over old ground.

In relation to this I would like to bring up a second matter. Time.

Certain scientists seem to be convinced that time can flow backward. It cant. Under no circumstances can time flow backwards. However, for those time travel enthusiasts, all is not (quite) lost. Whilst time its self cannot flow backward, events on a timeline can be re-arranged to a certain degree. However, time will constantly be moving foward. Likewise, time is constsant, however, events on the timeline may appear at different intervals, (clock theory's, black hole theory's). It is not time that is changing, only the events on the timeline, or more precisely, our perception of events on the timeline.

Let me know your views on these matters.

look farward to reading them.

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The problem I have with the big bang theory (actually theres several but thats another matter) is that it states that when the big crunch comes, everything will be squeezed into a singularity within a very short space of time, less than 1 second. Now, consider this. An awefull lot of matter is moving at an extremly high velocity and at extremly high temperatures towards a very tiny region of space. That gives it a heck of a lot of energy. Now, in contrast to black holes in which the energy has space to escape into (in the form of radiation, Stephen Hawkings "A brief History of time") the big crunch singularity will not have that luxury; It will be surrounded by a pure vacuum which cannot contain radiation of any form (unlike space which contains stellar matter, dust, asteroids, etc...). So, where is this energy going to go?
Just my .02 cents
Won't the energy be inside the "universe"? It would be the energy that would cause the universe to explode (Big Bang-Again) once it reached critical pressure.


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oops, sorry, wrong button

That is what I have been thinking, however, again referencing Stephen Hawkings "A brief History of time", and various other works along similar lines, the idea of the universe repeating as I suggest was dismissed around 1970-78 as being unfeasible, hence the question of "what will happen to all that energy" I am attaching my work on the subject for your review, please bear in mind that although this is a work in progress, some of the idea's contained within are subject to copyright.

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